| Tongue in Dressage. [message #2648385] |
Sun, 13 May 2012 09:35  |
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Why are Judges all over the world educated to severely punish the sight of the tongue when it is protruding well outside the side of the mouth...
[Updated on: Sun, 13 May 2012 09:55]
Ratbag.
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| Re: Tongue in Dressage. [message #2648409 is a reply to message #2648405 ] |
Sun, 13 May 2012 10:00  |
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I strongly encourage you to mind your own business.
What is your problem with me? You are nasty, have digs wherever you can and now have to start another thread because there is a photo with my horse with his tongue poking, at a free rein walk. He didn't do it at any other part of the test and i told you in the other thread no the judge did not penalize me for it AND i am led to believe she mainly judges EA.
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| Re: Tongue in Dressage. [message #2648428 is a reply to message #2648417 ] |
Sun, 13 May 2012 10:26 |
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Sorry Finn ratbag is correct. Poking out the side like that is ALWAYS considered resistance in a test. Maybe the judge missed it.
Technically it should be one point from any movement where it appears out to the side but most judges will not score more than a 4 for that movement.
Hanging, not poking, out the front, especially in a double bridle, is not considered resistance.
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| Re: Tongue in Dressage. [message #2648475 is a reply to message #2648428 ] |
Sun, 13 May 2012 10:57 |
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Twoloos....
What was it you said recently about fairies etc......
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| Re: Tongue in Dressage. [message #2648478 is a reply to message #2648475 ] |
Sun, 13 May 2012 10:59 |
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Finn it's probably a habit formed during his racing days.......assuming he is an OTTB
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| Re: Tongue in Dressage. [message #2648496 is a reply to message #2648478 ] |
Sun, 13 May 2012 11:14 |
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| claire1 wrote on Sun, 13 May 2012 10:59 |
Finn it's probably a habit formed during his racing days.......assuming he is an OTTB
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He is 14yo, has done 5 years of dressage and has points at Novice EA. Yep he raced, a very long time ago. He does it in training sometimes, look down and it's poking BUT it is only for a few seconds he does NOT do it the whole time.
I think the long he is in work then it will go away. He did not do it when i first got him BUT i wasn't training what i am now.
Some days he does it, others he doesn't.
When i say it isn't resistance, he isn't resisting what i am asking him when he does it. You can see in the photo he is on a long rein walk, no pressure to the bridle or anything.
He placed 2nd in his L2 test and 5th in his L3, so obviously we were doing something right. The judge was a harsh marker IMO but didn't say anything about his wayward tongue, he ever poked it out when we walked in front of her to head down to start our test.
Lulu, i am aware it is to be marked as resistance as i said in the other thread but he isn't resisting.
At the end of the day, it's my bloody horse and if we are doing a good test and place well i am very happy, if we don't well so be it.
Thanks Obsessed for reminding me why i keep my photos on FB now and don't post them here. I really hope to meet you in person one day!
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| Re: Tongue in Dressage. [message #2648498 is a reply to message #2648478 ] |
Sun, 13 May 2012 11:15 |
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I have a WB that loves doing it in the paddock...she loves to try and reach the side of her face - she actually slaps it against her face  - she was broken in, but hasn't been ridden since...2 years ago...did it before being broken in and does it purely to amuse herself and piss me off!
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| Re: Tongue in Dressage. [message #2648527 is a reply to message #2648511 ] |
Sun, 13 May 2012 11:41 |
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| WBS wrote on Sun, 13 May 2012 11:25 |
When I was riding in Germany there was the cheekiest and most playful horse, conveniently by the same sire as my two
He would make all sorts of faces, do crazy and quirky things with his head, AND... he would pop his tongue out for you to tickle. I'm talking ALL the way out. He would also hit you with his tongue! 
Never once did it come out with a bridle on 
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that's what my mare does! Hannoverian .....G line...
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| Re: Tongue in Dressage. [message #2648530 is a reply to message #2648525 ] |
Sun, 13 May 2012 11:43 |
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| claire1 wrote on Sun, 13 May 2012 11:41 |
Freddy likes having his tongue brushed!!! And his teeth...
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| Re: Tongue in Dressage. [message #2648599 is a reply to message #2648572 ] |
Sun, 13 May 2012 13:06 |
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Unfortunately 9 times out of 10 a tongue shown in dressage is a form of resistance. Either way a tongue sticking out is not ok, and something to be addressed now before the habit becomes permanent.
In degrees of severity, a tongue poking out through the front teeth and only showing 1 inch every now and then is considered better than a horse sticking it’s tongue out the side.
Unfortunately I have been through this situation and mine was due to resistance! I have spent many years trying to refine the aids and make them more effective, whilst being kind and considerate to the horse. Thankfully I don’t have this issue anymore, well 99% of the time, and when it is there I know it’s something I have done wrong.
Finn from the looks of the picture, it doesn’t look like you are putting your horse under too much pressure from the hand or anything like that. But perhaps he is just sticking his tongue out because your noseband might be quite loose, or he would prefer a different bit etc. Anyway, I’m not having a go, just pointing out that I’ve also been there, but I was penalised when competing and my horse’s tongue was out. If possible it’s always best to keep it in when he has a bridle on if you can! He can have the rest of the day to stick it out! Haha
Anyway have fun with it, as long as you enjoy your horse and are
willing to learn you can always do things to fix it.
Good luck!
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| Re: Tongue in Dressage. [message #2648751 is a reply to message #2648385 ] |
Sun, 13 May 2012 16:35 |
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I know why his tongue flaps about, and that's why Finn hates me, I questioned the methods she uses and advises others to use once before.
Enough said.
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I know I'm not perfect and I don't live to be. But, before you start pointing fingers, make sure your hands are clean
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Try not to take it personally, I strongly dislike all humans... now horses, horses I like!
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| Re: Tongue in Dressage. [message #2648756 is a reply to message #2648751 ] |
Sun, 13 May 2012 16:43 |
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| learns4life wrote on Sun, 13 May 2012 16:35 |
I know why his tongue flaps about, and that's why Finn hates me, I questioned the methods she uses and advises others to use once before.
Enough said.
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I'm intrigued. What does she do to make him stick his tongue out?
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| Re: Tongue in Dressage. [message #2648793 is a reply to message #2648756 ] |
Sun, 13 May 2012 17:21 |
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| English Rose wrote on Sun, 13 May 2012 16:43 |
| learns4life wrote on Sun, 13 May 2012 16:35 |
I know why his tongue flaps about, and that's why Finn hates me, I questioned the methods she uses and advises others to use once before.
Enough said.
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I'm intrigued. What does she do to make him stick his tongue out?
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Me too.
The horse through all its trials has preserved the sweetness of paradise in its blood.
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| Re: Tongue in Dressage. [message #2648828 is a reply to message #2648756 ] |
Sun, 13 May 2012 17:50 |
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| English Rose wrote on Sun, 13 May 2012 16:43 |
| learns4life wrote on Sun, 13 May 2012 16:35 |
I know why his tongue flaps about, and that's why Finn hates me, I questioned the methods she uses and advises others to use once before.
Enough said.
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I'm intrigued. What does she do to make him stick his tongue out?
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She calls him names.
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| Re: Tongue in Dressage. [message #2648894 is a reply to message #2648851 ] |
Sun, 13 May 2012 19:09 |
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I do not hate you, that would require feelings on my behalf. You merely piss me off with your constant bulldust. Please fill me in on what i do to make him do this.
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| Re: Tongue in Dressage. [message #2648947 is a reply to message #2648828 ] |
Sun, 13 May 2012 20:03 |
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| Lulu wrote on Sun, 13 May 2012 17:50 |
| English Rose wrote on Sun, 13 May 2012 16:43 |
| learns4life wrote on Sun, 13 May 2012 16:35 |
I know why his tongue flaps about, and that's why Finn hates me, I questioned the methods she uses and advises others to use once before.
Enough said.
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I'm intrigued. What does she do to make him stick his tongue out?
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She calls him names.
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| Re: Tongue in Dressage. [message #2648998 is a reply to message #2648947 ] |
Sun, 13 May 2012 21:30 |
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I do call him names
Those names vary depending on whether he is being well behaved or not.
Come on L4L, i'm waiting on this 'information' you seem to have about my riding.
Considering i don't remember having any conversation with you about my 'methods' i imagine it was pretty insignificant.
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| Re: Tongue in Dressage. [message #2649031 is a reply to message #2648998 ] |
Sun, 13 May 2012 22:09 |
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There are a number of reasons why a horse may put its tongue out the side of its mouth (whilst wearing a bridle and saddle)
The saddle is not fitting properly
The rider rides with too much tension
The bit is incorrectly fitted
The horse may have TMD
I think there is an issue and it would be naive of anyone not to investigate possible causes.
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| Re: Tongue in Dressage. [message #2649047 is a reply to message #2649031 ] |
Sun, 13 May 2012 22:31 |
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| smartmoves wrote on Sun, 13 May 2012 22:09 |
There are a number of reasons why a horse may put its tongue out the side of its mouth (whilst wearing a bridle and saddle)
The saddle is not fitting properly
The rider rides with too much tension
The bit is incorrectly fitted
The horse may have TMD
I think there is an issue and it would be naive of anyone not to investigate possible causes.
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At the moment i am putting his down to the fact he is over due for the dentist. I don't think it will cause a problem later on down the track.
His saddle fits well, i was not riding with tension, Bit and bridle fit well. Seriously, look at the photo. Does he look stressed to you?
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| Re: Tongue in Dressage. [message #2649062 is a reply to message #2649031 ] |
Sun, 13 May 2012 22:40 |
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| smartmoves wrote on Sun, 13 May 2012 22:09 |
There are a number of reasons why a horse may put its tongue out the side of its mouth (whilst wearing a bridle and saddle)
The saddle is not fitting properly
The rider rides with too much tension
The bit is incorrectly fitted
The horse may have TMD
I think there is an issue and it would be naive of anyone not to investigate possible causes.
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Sorry what is TMD?
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| Re: Tongue in Dressage. [message #2649063 is a reply to message #2649055 ] |
Sun, 13 May 2012 22:40 |
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| akubra wrote on Sun, 13 May 2012 22:35 |
He looks like a big dag with his tongue hanging out Finn, I take he is a bit of a character. 
I notice he is on the forehand and tilting his head in one of the photos, maybe with the head tilting avoidance there might be something there and worth a bit of investigation.
But needless to say, you are out there having a go and good on you and getting some good results.
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Thank you
Which photo was that? The blurry one? A few of them were taken from my L2 test where everything was sitting trot which isn't my strongest point atm due to being unfit. He is a big dag and does well to put up with me at times.
I think he will improve after his dentist visit. Was something that just popped into my head regarding the tongue poking. He will be done next week which was the soonest she can come out when i rang last week.
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| Re: Tongue in Dressage. [message #2649084 is a reply to message #2649079 ] |
Sun, 13 May 2012 23:11 |
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Bit and noseband are the same as i have been using on him since i got him. Both fit well. Having weekly lessons and don't think it's me.
We'll get there slowly. I'm in no hurry to go out and compete EA.
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| Re: Tongue in Dressage. [message #2649104 is a reply to message #2649103 ] |
Sun, 13 May 2012 23:45 |
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| MandyE wrote on Sun, 13 May 2012 23:44 |
I'm thinking the horse may have some issues with the contact, just quietly.
TMD, I wonder if that means Temporo Mandibular Displacement?
If so, could very well be a reason for the tongue behaviour if all other things were ruled out.
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Why would you think that?
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| Re: Tongue in Dressage. [message #2649127 is a reply to message #2648385 ] |
Mon, 14 May 2012 00:32 |
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Tongue + Head tilt, I'm going for contact also.
Does he do this for other riders Finn?
Fear is temporary, regret is forever
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