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If i get called back for another interview i seriously have to think about whether i want this or not - its a 12 month traineeship in business administration. My alternative is stay with my current retail job (or look for other full time work) and probably get a management position, but it would be far away and i might even have to move out of home for it.
This is all before i go to uni, i took a gap year (this year) to work and figure out what i really want to do. I am thinking a business marketing or business management course (eventually) - actually is anyone doing either of these and could tell me if you like it?
But back to the traineeship.. i would hold off uni for another 6 months if it was worth it. It's close enough to me, and i'd get a cert 3 and go to tafe one day a week, otherwise work full time and not be paid much at all (but then again i wouldnt get much going to uni anyway - would get paid more in retail management, but i'd have high travel/living costs and not get a qualification out of it)
Ill be honest and hopefully not come across really vain, i went to a Selective high school, pretty much everyone went to uni and the only career paths ever really spoken of (including from careers advisor) was law, medicine, maybe engineering etc. My school didn't offer anything but A grade subjects, and we never heard about anything to do with apprentice/traineeships. I therefore know nothing about them or how highly regarded they are, if at all.
Are they worth it? I know its only a diploma, but i would go on to Uni afterwards (or go to a private college, do another diploma in management - because this one finds you a job and gives you a heap of contacts - then go to uni and finish a degree)
Pleasee help me haha  thankyou for reading 
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lepat 
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A traineeship/diploma in business management isn't as great on your CV as a degree.
It might be an alternate pathway to a degree, but if you already have a place at uni lined up ready to go next year, are you potentially 'throwing it away' to do a smaller, lesser qualification?
Be a bit careful with 'business admin tranieeships'...a compnay can get a rebate for getting staff to do them, and can pay you less than what would normally be industry standard as you are 'studying'.
It is also a field you can get into without any formal qualification.
I'm also doing a degree in Marketing and find it really interesting, the way a company thinks and targets a demographic to me is amazing! It's pretty all encompnaasing, we do basic accounting, stats, brand management, international marketing and lots more, each subject where in the same vein is quite different. (I've also done half a jounalism degree and half a psych degree and LOVE this in comparison!)
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| Re: What would you do?.. Has anyone done a traineeship? are they worth it? [message #2646421 is a reply to message #2646419 ] |
Thu, 10 May 2012 13:39 |
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| lepat wrote on Thu, 10 May 2012 13:36 |
A traineeship/diploma in business management isn't as great on your CV as a degree.
It might be an alternate pathway to a degree, but if you already have a place at uni lined up ready to go next year, are you potentially 'throwing it away' to do a smaller, lesser qualification?
Be a bit careful with 'business admin tranieeships'...a compnay can get a rebate for getting staff to do them, and can pay you less than what would normally be industry standard as you are 'studying'.
It is also a field you can get into without any formal qualification.
I'm also doing a degree in Marketing and find it really interesting, the way a company thinks and targets a demographic to me is amazing! It's pretty all encompnaasing, we do basic accounting, stats, brand management, international marketing and lots more, each subject where in the same vein is quite different. (I've also done half a jounalism degree and half a psych degree and LOVE this in comparison!)
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I'm not to sure how true that is I'll have to check with my boss... but I'm pretty sure it just goes by what year you left school. It worked that way for me & everyone else I went to uni with.
R.I.P My beautiful BJ
I will miss & love you every single day!
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| Re: What would you do?.. Has anyone done a traineeship? are they worth it? [message #2646443 is a reply to message #2646408 ] |
Thu, 10 May 2012 14:02 |
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I was offered a traineeship just as I was finishing VCE in an industry I had never thought of. At the time I thought its two years, give it a go and Ill be qualified before Im 20! So skip forward over 12 years and I am still in the industry with a fabulous position that I really enjoy. I was able to keep riding at an elite level as I had an income and was in a management position before I was 24. Uni isnt the only option and it it something you can do at any age.
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| Re: What would you do?.. Has anyone done a traineeship? are they worth it? [message #2646511 is a reply to message #2646421 ] |
Thu, 10 May 2012 15:24 |
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lepat
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| cocochanel wrote on Thu, 10 May 2012 13:39 |
| lepat wrote on Thu, 10 May 2012 13:36 |
A traineeship/diploma in business management isn't as great on your CV as a degree.
It might be an alternate pathway to a degree, but if you already have a place at uni lined up ready to go next year, are you potentially 'throwing it away' to do a smaller, lesser qualification?
Be a bit careful with 'business admin tranieeships'...a compnay can get a rebate for getting staff to do them, and can pay you less than what would normally be industry standard as you are 'studying'.
It is also a field you can get into without any formal qualification.
I'm also doing a degree in Marketing and find it really interesting, the way a company thinks and targets a demographic to me is amazing! It's pretty all encompnaasing, we do basic accounting, stats, brand management, international marketing and lots more, each subject where in the same vein is quite different. (I've also done half a jounalism degree and half a psych degree and LOVE this in comparison!)
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I'm not to sure how true that is I'll have to check with my boss... but I'm pretty sure it just goes by what year you left school. It worked that way for me & everyone else I went to uni with.
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We recently had a training company come in and give us a presentation on some different traineeships and certificates staff could undertake - our business would get a $1000 rebate from the government for every staff member who completed the course within 12 months.
They said we could offer these study positions to new employees and as it was a 'traineeship' could then save on wages as the staff member was getting an education while they were working, so would be willing to compromise on salary.
Their words, not mine!
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| Re: What would you do?.. Has anyone done a traineeship? are they worth it? [message #2646513 is a reply to message #2646511 ] |
Thu, 10 May 2012 15:28 |
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| lepat wrote on Thu, 10 May 2012 15:24 |
| cocochanel wrote on Thu, 10 May 2012 13:39 |
| lepat wrote on Thu, 10 May 2012 13:36 |
A traineeship/diploma in business management isn't as great on your CV as a degree.
It might be an alternate pathway to a degree, but if you already have a place at uni lined up ready to go next year, are you potentially 'throwing it away' to do a smaller, lesser qualification?
Be a bit careful with 'business admin tranieeships'...a compnay can get a rebate for getting staff to do them, and can pay you less than what would normally be industry standard as you are 'studying'.
It is also a field you can get into without any formal qualification.
I'm also doing a degree in Marketing and find it really interesting, the way a company thinks and targets a demographic to me is amazing! It's pretty all encompnaasing, we do basic accounting, stats, brand management, international marketing and lots more, each subject where in the same vein is quite different. (I've also done half a jounalism degree and half a psych degree and LOVE this in comparison!)
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I'm not to sure how true that is I'll have to check with my boss... but I'm pretty sure it just goes by what year you left school. It worked that way for me & everyone else I went to uni with.
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We recently had a training company come in and give us a presentation on some different traineeships and certificates staff could undertake - our business would get a $1000 rebate from the government for every staff member who completed the course within 12 months.
They said we could offer these study positions to new employees and as it was a 'traineeship' could then save on wages as the staff member was getting an education while they were working, so would be willing to compromise on salary.
Their words, not mine!
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Oh okay! I wonder if it's different if you go through an actual company... I went through Apprenticeships plus and they handled it all... I definitely know you get a rebate for it & they employer has you for a discounted rate but I didn't think they had the right to choose your salary
R.I.P My beautiful BJ
I will miss & love you every single day!
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| Re: What would you do?.. Has anyone done a traineeship? are they worth it? [message #2646535 is a reply to message #2646526 ] |
Thu, 10 May 2012 16:07 |
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| bayview wrote on Thu, 10 May 2012 15:46 |
Your salary is lower as you are deemed to be studying, so not the full rate.
The salary itself was set, depending on the level of schooling I had completed. I was on $8.47 on my traineeship, and went up to $13 something when I was 'qualified' ...
But the government does subsidise the wages to encourage people to put on trainee's etc....
I think the difference inLepat's case is that instead of emplying a new staff member at the full rate, as a full staff member in training, the employer could save money by putting them on a traineeship instead...
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Yeah, thats what it was. Almost like, 'hey, are you planning on hiring? How about instead of hiring someone and paying them $x per hour, hire them, put them on a trainee ship, put them on $cheap per hour and get $1000 at the end!'
It sounded pretty dodgy - no surprise we didn't take it. Just be careful you don't get put inot a situation like that.
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| Re: What would you do?.. Has anyone done a traineeship? are they worth it? [message #2646693 is a reply to message #2646422 ] |
Thu, 10 May 2012 20:11 |
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| zam zam wrote on Thu, 10 May 2012 13:39 |
My brother did a traineeship as an accountant many many years ago instead of going to university.
He is CEO of Deloitte Digital and was made a adjunct professor of RMIT Universiry.
http://tedxmelbourne.com/pete-williams/
Retail is dead end job and I believe university can sometimes waste years of your life where you cold be getting actual work experience.
I'd be going with the traineeship.
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I know retail isn't for everyone, but I would to think what I do is more than just a "dead end job"
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| Re: What would you do?.. Has anyone done a traineeship? are they worth it? [message #2646724 is a reply to message #2646693 ] |
Thu, 10 May 2012 20:51 |
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Rayhay
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Until you work outside of doing retail, I have to agree, retail is pretty dead end-ish not all but most instances.
I did my fair share of retail when I was younger, when I really didn't know what I wanted to do.
Move forward down the track and I look back and thank the lord I am not in retail.
Wait till you see what else is out there, if you can say the same in 5 -10 years, good for you.
I also did a traineeship about 18 years ago now, I still would be where I am now without it, but it was a good piece of paper to have to get through those stepping stones. I am now currently working on a Diploma in Business Admin. Not sure if it will advance me or not, but at least it will be current and will look nice with all my other achievements.
Goodluck with your decision either way.
It is far more impressive when others discover your good qualities without your help.
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| Re: What would you do?.. Has anyone done a traineeship? are they worth it? [message #2646860 is a reply to message #2646408 ] |
Fri, 11 May 2012 07:48 |
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| Cameo wrote on Thu, 10 May 2012 13:16 |
If i get called back for another interview i seriously have to think about whether i want this or not - its a 12 month traineeship in business administration. My alternative is stay with my current retail job (or look for other full time work) and probably get a management position, but it would be far away and i might even have to move out of home for it.
This is all before i go to uni, i took a gap year (this year) to work and figure out what i really want to do. I am thinking a business marketing or business management course (eventually) - actually is anyone doing either of these and could tell me if you like it?
But back to the traineeship.. i would hold off uni for another 6 months if it was worth it. It's close enough to me, and i'd get a cert 3 and go to tafe one day a week, otherwise work full time and not be paid much at all (but then again i wouldnt get much going to uni anyway - would get paid more in retail management, but i'd have high travel/living costs and not get a qualification out of it)
Ill be honest and hopefully not come across really vain, i went to a Selective high school, pretty much everyone went to uni and the only career paths ever really spoken of (including from careers advisor) was law, medicine, maybe engineering etc. My school didn't offer anything but A grade subjects, and we never heard about anything to do with apprentice/traineeships. I therefore know nothing about them or how highly regarded they are, if at all.
Are they worth it? I know its only a diploma, but i would go on to Uni afterwards (or go to a private college, do another diploma in management - because this one finds you a job and gives you a heap of contacts - then go to uni and finish a degree)
Pleasee help me haha thankyou for reading
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Just to clarify a few things for you.
Your traineeship is a certificate III not a Diploma! There is a huge difference between the two. Cert III is equal to a trade certificate (apprenticeship), such as hairdressing/baker/sparky etc. (It then goes on to a Cert IV, then Diploma level, then Advanced Dip, the undergraduate degree - all levels becoming more involved with lots more work and much longer study amounts )As such, the National Training Wage comes into effect as a minimum wage. I would be checking the amount out prior to accepting it, as you may find it's $9.00 or so an hour! You can look up here how much you may earn.
http://www.fairwork.gov.au/pay/national-minimum-wage/pages/2 011-annual-wage-review.aspx
All businesses, receive money for taking on apprentices and trainees, regardless of which agency they go through.
Check to see if it is Cert II or III as a big difference in study and also outcomes
Good luck!
ZZ- that's great re your brother I am guessing he took on quite a bit of tertiary study later as he is now a Chartered accountant
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| Re: What would you do?.. Has anyone done a traineeship? are they worth it? [message #2647024 is a reply to message #2646860 ] |
Fri, 11 May 2012 10:52 |
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| honeyjoy wrote on Fri, 11 May 2012 07:48 |
| Cameo wrote on Thu, 10 May 2012 13:16 |
If i get called back for another interview i seriously have to think about whether i want this or not - its a 12 month traineeship in business administration. My alternative is stay with my current retail job (or look for other full time work) and probably get a management position, but it would be far away and i might even have to move out of home for it.
This is all before i go to uni, i took a gap year (this year) to work and figure out what i really want to do. I am thinking a business marketing or business management course (eventually) - actually is anyone doing either of these and could tell me if you like it?
But back to the traineeship.. i would hold off uni for another 6 months if it was worth it. It's close enough to me, and i'd get a cert 3 and go to tafe one day a week, otherwise work full time and not be paid much at all (but then again i wouldnt get much going to uni anyway - would get paid more in retail management, but i'd have high travel/living costs and not get a qualification out of it)
Ill be honest and hopefully not come across really vain, i went to a Selective high school, pretty much everyone went to uni and the only career paths ever really spoken of (including from careers advisor) was law, medicine, maybe engineering etc. My school didn't offer anything but A grade subjects, and we never heard about anything to do with apprentice/traineeships. I therefore know nothing about them or how highly regarded they are, if at all.
Are they worth it? I know its only a diploma, but i would go on to Uni afterwards (or go to a private college, do another diploma in management - because this one finds you a job and gives you a heap of contacts - then go to uni and finish a degree)
Pleasee help me haha thankyou for reading
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Just to clarify a few things for you.
Your traineeship is a certificate III not a Diploma! There is a huge difference between the two. Cert III is equal to a trade certificate (apprenticeship), such as hairdressing/baker/sparky etc. (It then goes on to a Cert IV, then Diploma level, then Advanced Dip, the undergraduate degree - all levels becoming more involved with lots more work and much longer study amounts )As such, the National Training Wage comes into effect as a minimum wage. I would be checking the amount out prior to accepting it, as you may find it's $9.00 or so an hour! You can look up here how much you may earn.
http://www.fairwork.gov.au/pay/national-minimum-wage/pages/2 011-annual-wage-review.aspx
All businesses, receive money for taking on apprentices and trainees, regardless of which agency they go through.
Check to see if it is Cert II or III as a big difference in study and also outcomes
Good luck!
ZZ- that's great re your brother I am guessing he took on quite a bit of tertiary study later as he is now a Chartered accountant
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Thankyou!!! People had told me it was the same as a diploma :/ it is definitely Certificate III but. If i take it i will absolutely be going on and furthering my education, especially from what you have just said.
I was told the wage at my interview, (just didnt want to post it) i will say its very low but haha, i do less than half the hours in my retail job for about the same amount of money. 
I guess i just have to figure out if it's worth putting aside a year to do this, or just work full time and save my money until the end of the year, then go straight to uni or do my other option of a diploma for a year and then uni.
Decisions decisions 
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| Re: What would you do?.. Has anyone done a traineeship? are they worth it? [message #2647044 is a reply to message #2647024 ] |
Fri, 11 May 2012 11:04 |
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I work in retail and am currently doing a traineeship too.
I am lucky enough to also be getting a decent wage to go with it.
It wasn't my choice to do the traineeship, it's actually my second one and I don't even bother putting them on my resume.
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| Re: What would you do?.. Has anyone done a traineeship? are they worth it? [message #2647149 is a reply to message #2647074 ] |
Fri, 11 May 2012 13:00 |
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if it was a Cert II that was done before, then you can do a Cert III as a traineeship. AM guessing that one may have been done at school, then one later...?
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| Re: What would you do?.. Has anyone done a traineeship? are they worth it? [message #2647803 is a reply to message #2647149 ] |
Sat, 12 May 2012 10:51 |
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Both in the workplace, but yes, one was cert II in retail and this one is cert III in management or something.
I don't even take any notice of what I am studying lol
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| Re: What would you do?.. Has anyone done a traineeship? are they worth it? [message #2647840 is a reply to message #2647024 ] |
Sat, 12 May 2012 11:42 |
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| Cameo wrote on Fri, 11 May 2012 10:52 |
| honeyjoy wrote on Fri, 11 May 2012 07:48 |
| Cameo wrote on Thu, 10 May 2012 13:16 |
If i get called back for another interview i seriously have to think about whether i want this or not - its a 12 month traineeship in business administration. My alternative is stay with my current retail job (or look for other full time work) and probably get a management position, but it would be far away and i might even have to move out of home for it.
This is all before i go to uni, i took a gap year (this year) to work and figure out what i really want to do. I am thinking a business marketing or business management course (eventually) - actually is anyone doing either of these and could tell me if you like it?
But back to the traineeship.. i would hold off uni for another 6 months if it was worth it. It's close enough to me, and i'd get a cert 3 and go to tafe one day a week, otherwise work full time and not be paid much at all (but then again i wouldnt get much going to uni anyway - would get paid more in retail management, but i'd have high travel/living costs and not get a qualification out of it)
Ill be honest and hopefully not come across really vain, i went to a Selective high school, pretty much everyone went to uni and the only career paths ever really spoken of (including from careers advisor) was law, medicine, maybe engineering etc. My school didn't offer anything but A grade subjects, and we never heard about anything to do with apprentice/traineeships. I therefore know nothing about them or how highly regarded they are, if at all.
Are they worth it? I know its only a diploma, but i would go on to Uni afterwards (or go to a private college, do another diploma in management - because this one finds you a job and gives you a heap of contacts - then go to uni and finish a degree)
Pleasee help me haha thankyou for reading
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Just to clarify a few things for you.
Your traineeship is a certificate III not a Diploma! There is a huge difference between the two. Cert III is equal to a trade certificate (apprenticeship), such as hairdressing/baker/sparky etc. (It then goes on to a Cert IV, then Diploma level, then Advanced Dip, the undergraduate degree - all levels becoming more involved with lots more work and much longer study amounts )As such, the National Training Wage comes into effect as a minimum wage. I would be checking the amount out prior to accepting it, as you may find it's $9.00 or so an hour! You can look up here how much you may earn.
http://www.fairwork.gov.au/pay/national-minimum-wage/pages/2 011-annual-wage-review.aspx
All businesses, receive money for taking on apprentices and trainees, regardless of which agency they go through.
Check to see if it is Cert II or III as a big difference in study and also outcomes
Good luck!
ZZ- that's great re your brother I am guessing he took on quite a bit of tertiary study later as he is now a Chartered accountant
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Thankyou!!! People had told me it was the same as a diploma :/ it is definitely Certificate III but. If i take it i will absolutely be going on and furthering my education, especially from what you have just said.
I was told the wage at my interview, (just didnt want to post it) i will say its very low but haha, i do less than half the hours in my retail job for about the same amount of money.
I guess i just have to figure out if it's worth putting aside a year to do this, or just work full time and save my money until the end of the year, then go straight to uni or do my other option of a diploma for a year and then uni.
Decisions decisions
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Yes, a diploma is a LOT different to a certificate! In fact mine gave me 8 credits towards a commerce degree- including 5 of the core (compulsory) units...
I did a traineeship when i started doing personal care. Wage of $19p/hr and the company paid for cert IV.
There are good and pointless traineeships
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Is that the deakin at your doorstep associate degree? If so, you can get a diploma, associate degree AND bachelor degree in the same time as a straight bachelor
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