country.cowgirl Messages: 4064 Registered: March 2008 Location: Australia
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catching/ re-training - first of all catching some of these off the high country is near impossible, then the stress - some of these are 10+ years old and never seen a human, the young ones can probably be trained, but the old ones are more set in their ways, whats the plan for them, if you do catch them?
sounds nice, but not really practical
Killing them off - currently the most practical method of control, seen as inhumane but I question what is worse, a bullet from a highly trained shooter and they go back to check it's dead (and re-shot if necessary) or the long process of starvation due to lack of resources? or the suffering of our native fauna because of this 'pest' and that is all they are a pest
Making them infertile - how? catch them and desex is a little impractical, or do we implant it in a virus we infect the brumbies with, sounds nice but the risks of such a method needs to be selective and non-contagious, not able to be spread between horses, so really each individual would need to be caught and infected - again nice but not practical
Don't care - everyone has an opinion on this!
I didn't vote, cause I am undecided, shooting is the only practical method to date, we need to look for more humane and practical methods, but to date they haven't been formulated... Brumbies need to be culled to protect our native fauna, but at the same time they deserve respect too, but we need to be realistic too as to the methods of control, and consider the consequences of such control methods
selby_21 Messages: 3557 Registered: March 2009 Location: Wyena
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half/half.
re-train the trianable/young ones.
older/un-trainable ones get sent to the knackery where we know will be killed kind of humanley and at least instantly rather than aerial culled where they can be left to bleed to death etc etc
especially the foals, raise them in a humane enviroment.
Brumbies are fantastic little horses in every way. Theres no reason to not turn all these little guys into fab riding ponies
georgie101 Messages: 4475 Registered: March 2009 Location: Lilydale P.C
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selby_21 wrote on Mon, 05 April 2010 20:45
half/half.
re-train the trianable/young ones.
older/un-trainable ones get sent to the knackery where we know will be killed kind of humanley and at least instantly rather than aerial culled where they can be left to bleed to death etc etc
especially the foals, raise them in a humane enviroment.
Brumbies are fantastic little horses in every way. Theres no reason to not turn all these little guys into fab riding ponies
(other than the time/$ expense of it all)
i saw a video where they filmed that happening it was horrible.
fashioncloset Messages: 825 Registered: June 2009 Location: Kinglake
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georgie101 wrote on Mon, 05 April 2010 23:03
selby_21 wrote on Mon, 05 April 2010 20:45
half/half.
re-train the trianable/young ones.
older/un-trainable ones get sent to the knackery where we know will be killed kind of humanley and at least instantly rather than aerial culled where they can be left to bleed to death etc etc
especially the foals, raise them in a humane enviroment.
Brumbies are fantastic little horses in every way. Theres no reason to not turn all these little guys into fab riding ponies
(other than the time/$ expense of it all)
i saw a video where they filmed that happening it was horrible.
my opinion....kill them off...it sounds all very well and good to catch them and retrain them, but why not do it with a sound horse with good breeding and a good start to life. there are enough horses out there that need schooling, these don't need to be added to the list.
They are going to keep breeding, then not having enough food and die off. Face it the people who have the ability to train up wild horses, aren't going to necessarily waste their time on a brumby.
my opinion, diss it if you want...I don't really care.
itsnessa Messages: 1131 Registered: November 2008 Location: WARC, WPC
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country.cowgirl wrote on Mon, 05 April 2010 20:25
catching/ re-training - first of all catching some of these off the high country is near impossible, then the stress - some of these are 10+ years old and never seen a human, the young ones can probably be trained, but the old ones are more set in their ways, whats the plan for them, if you do catch them?
sounds nice, but not really practical
Killing them off - currently the most practical method of control, seen as inhumane but I question what is worse, a bullet from a highly trained shooter and they go back to check it's dead (and re-shot if necessary) or the long process of starvation due to lack of resources? or the suffering of our native fauna because of this 'pest' and that is all they are a pest
Making them infertile - how? catch them and desex is a little impractical, or do we implant it in a virus we infect the brumbies with, sounds nice but the risks of such a method needs to be selective and non-contagious, not able to be spread between horses, so really each individual would need to be caught and infected - again nice but not practical
Don't care - everyone has an opinion on this!
I didn't vote, cause I am undecided, shooting is the only practical method to date, we need to look for more humane and practical methods, but to date they haven't been formulated... Brumbies need to be culled to protect our native fauna, but at the same time they deserve respect too, but we need to be realistic too as to the methods of control, and consider the consequences of such control methods
Capture and then release. They do not need to get rid of ALL brumbies; just reduce the numbers. Only problem is that it is a slower and harder process.
jesse Messages: 751 Registered: December 2005 Location: UBRC
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A friend and I purchased a sweet 4 yo brumby over the phone (from cooper pedy)and she has turned out to be the sweetest, smartest little girl. She is now doing gr 3 dressage, showing a lovely temperament and is very trainable. As a matter of fact, she is more sensible than some horses that haven't been raised ina herd environment! Hopefully my friend who now owns her will post a pic of her on this thread!! She has mixed breeding, we are still guessing about that, but her conformation and soundness are absolutely fine. You have to remember, only the strong ones survive in the wild.
Save the young ones i say, they make great family horses.
Killing them off - currently the most practical method of control, seen as inhumane but I question what is worse, a bullet from a highly trained shooter and they go back to check it's dead (and re-shot if necessary) or the long process of starvation due to lack of resources? or the suffering of our native fauna because of this 'pest' and that is all they are a pest
ehhh no... they are shot from a helicopter by unauthorised NOT highly trained professionals... they aren't checked to make sure they are dead and are left to suffer and die a slow, painfull death...
i think that it would be GREAT if we could retrain them etc but being realistic i think finding a humane way of making them infertile would be something to think about.
if you think about it, how many people are there out there that have the patience and money to care for another horse that they have to train. especially since brumbies are wild.
maybe some but deffinetely not enough for every brumby
cassieeeemeili Messages: 4814 Registered: May 2009 Location: Briagolong & District...
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By catching and training its just putting more horses on the market , and more horses to saleyards , more horses to be neglected , more horses to put up with horrible owners .
Kill them off , well the way they do it is inhumane . Shooting a horse from a helicopter not knowing if its dead or bleeding to death is a horrible thing . They are better off at the knackery and going to feed all the over populated dogs
Gelding most of the colts and stallions is prob the best choice , only some of them so they can still breed but keep their numbers down . Then the gelded can live their lives as normal and not breed instead of being slaughtered .
But yeah , not voting because whats the good in a poll ? Its not us who decides its he damn government .R.I.P my big gentle giant , Hero (Zubere) 08/09/2003-26/03/2010
R.I.P my beatiful girl Indi 11/10/2011
By catching and training its just putting more horses on the market , and more horses to saleyards , more horses to be neglected , more horses to put up with horrible owners .
Kill them off , well the way they do it is inhumane . Shooting a horse from a helicopter not knowing if its dead or bleeding to death is a horrible thing . They are better off at the knackery and going to feed all the over populated dogs
Gelding most of the colts and stallions is prob the best choice , only some of them so they can still breed but keep their numbers down . Then the gelded can live their lives as normal and not breed instead of being slaughtered .
But yeah , not voting because whats the good in a poll ? Its not us who decides its he damn government .
That is a very good point. How many horses would need to be re-homed and who would be willing to take them?
I myself would love to save some from an awful death BUT I do not have the time or resources.
The Government unfortunately have no interest in anything anyone has suggested here or anywhere because time/money - they're option takes the least time and money and any other option would be too much effort for them! Mother of two <3 Bella & Shylo <3
FleurBaby Messages: 1808 Registered: December 2009 Location: Dandenong Ranges.
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Thanks for all your comments. Honestly, will all the trouble they are having, why dont they just leave them be. I know they are getting large in numbers, but so are humans. Why dont we just go around and shoots humans cause their are to many?
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itsnessa Messages: 1131 Registered: November 2008 Location: WARC, WPC
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FleurBaby wrote on Thu, 08 April 2010 09:18
Thanks for all your comments. Honestly, will all the trouble they are having, why dont they just leave them be. I know they are getting large in numbers, but so are humans. Why dont we just go around and shoots humans cause their are to many?
in Australia we do not have that big a population in comparison to the size of the land. The brumbies are destroying native flora and fauna that we need to help and preserve. Brumbies are an introduced species (just like rabbits) and our native flora and fauna cannot handle them. They drink all the water and eat what little food there is. Not to mention they ruin the ground with their hooves.
So yes, something HAS to be done....we can't just leave them.
It's great this issue is being aired here. Don't think it is all up to the government and we have no voice. They will go ahead like the did last time, as someone else posted, culled by shooters from helicopters - not professionals, not at all checked to confirm they are dead, many far too many left to bleed slowly to death, waiting for death in fear. How is this considered humane in 2010? The brumby cull ceased last time as footage of this was released to the public and there was a HUGE backlash against this cruelty.
So lets not let it start again!
Brumbies can be trained. Google it. You'll be amazed. As they have not had contact with humans they are reported to be the most easy to train. And smart! Like someone said here only the toughest survive. Also those trained are awesome pc mounts.
cassieeeemeili Messages: 4814 Registered: May 2009 Location: Briagolong & District...
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Spanish wrote on Wed, 07 April 2010 21:06
It's great this issue is being aired here. Don't think it is all up to the government and we have no voice. They will go ahead like the did last time, as someone else posted, culled by shooters from helicopters - not professionals, not at all checked to confirm they are dead, many far too many left to bleed slowly to death, waiting for death in fear. How is this considered humane in 2010? The brumby cull ceased last time as footage of this was released to the public and there was a HUGE backlash against this cruelty.
So lets not let it start again!
Brumbies can be trained. Google it. You'll be amazed. As they have not had contact with humans they are reported to be the most easy to train. And smart! Like someone said here only the toughest survive. Also those trained are awesome pc mounts.
But that still adds to the over population of horses , which then MORE will be neglected , MORE will be abused , MORE will breed when they dont need to . Which makes the situation for us horse owners more tough .
Sure they are great little horses , they sure are strong , my best mate has a 30yo+ brumby who is blind in one eye but you can still hop on her and take her for a walk , and she runs around with the others bucking all the time .
But do we really want more RSPCA cases ?
I say they should make padocks specifically for brumbies so they are still in the wild where they belong but wont ruin native flora & fauna . As well as most colts/stallions being gelded . Train only a handful . And just let the rest of them be , but where they wont ruin our land .R.I.P my big gentle giant , Hero (Zubere) 08/09/2003-26/03/2010
R.I.P my beatiful girl Indi 11/10/2011
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She has mixed breeding, we are still guessing about that, but her conformation and soundness are absolutely fine. You have to remember, only the strong ones survive in the wild.
