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Sweet Iron bits - harsh or not? [message #2686163] Mon, 25 June 2012 18:51 Go to next message
kph_89  is currently offline kph_89  
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Hi all,

Just want to know why people say that sweet iron bits are a 'harsh' bit? I thought they were just the same as any other bit but a different material (i.e. available in different types, thicknesses, etc) so therefore are only as harsh as the type of bit they are? (If that makes sense). I've tried searching the net to see if there was something I'm missing and the only thing I've found is that horses seem to prefer the taste of them over stainless steel (which sounds kinder than stainless steel imo).
Re: Sweet Iron bits - harsh or not? [message #2686168 is a reply to message #2686163 ] Mon, 25 June 2012 19:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  Jakki  is currently offline Jakki  
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Exactly as you said...different material available in different thickness' just like other bits Smile

My bloke prefers a sweet iron bit.
Re: Sweet Iron bits - harsh or not? [message #2686173 is a reply to message #2686163 ] Mon, 25 June 2012 19:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sweet iron bits are derived from western disciplines and are generally are manufactured with thinner mouthpieces than English snaffle.s They were never meant for the type of bit contact that the english dsciplines require.
Re: Sweet Iron bits - harsh or not? [message #2686177 is a reply to message #2686163 ] Mon, 25 June 2012 19:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ditto what Jakki said Smile

I've had my OTTB in a happy mouth, stainless steel, and sweet iron - he much prefers and works better in a sweet iron Smile

Re: Sweet Iron bits - harsh or not? [message #2686179 is a reply to message #2686168 ] Mon, 25 June 2012 19:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The sweet iron bits I've seen have all been very thin...


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Re: Sweet Iron bits - harsh or not? [message #2686188 is a reply to message #2686163 ] Mon, 25 June 2012 19:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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They come in fine, medium and standard.
Re: Sweet Iron bits - harsh or not? [message #2686192 is a reply to message #2686173 ] Mon, 25 June 2012 19:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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But that's purely a perception on how thick they are..? A medium sweet iron snaffle is not going to be any harsher than an identical medium stainless steel snaffle? And they're readily available in a variety of thickness' so it's just people's impressions of them because originally Western bits were made of sweet iron not English from what I can tell then?
Re: Sweet Iron bits - harsh or not? [message #2686197 is a reply to message #2686163 ] Mon, 25 June 2012 19:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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And I just tried my girl in a sweet iron for the first time and she loved it too! Was the softest I've ever seen/felt her. But when I recommended it to someone I had a couple of people tell me that they were told they were harsh bits... Haha just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something Razz
Re: Sweet Iron bits - harsh or not? [message #2686200 is a reply to message #2686163 ] Mon, 25 June 2012 19:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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as others have said, the harshness is associated with the thinness of the bit when it comes to sweet irons...but of course, any bit is only as harsh as the hands at the other end of the reins!

The mouthpiece on the one I use is no finer than most myler bits -probably a bit thicker in fact


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Re: Sweet Iron bits - harsh or not? [message #2686202 is a reply to message #2686163 ] Mon, 25 June 2012 19:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Sweet Iron bits - harsh or not? [message #2686206 is a reply to message #2686202 ] Mon, 25 June 2012 19:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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But all single-jointed snaffles have a nut cracker action, and french links are available in sweet iron? So a sweet iron bit is only as harsh as the type of bit you buy (as sweet iron is purely the material the bit is made out of)
Re: Sweet Iron bits - harsh or not? [message #2686211 is a reply to message #2686202 ] Mon, 25 June 2012 19:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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And on that note the bit I've just started using is single-jointed sweet iron loose ring snaffle (one with the curved mouth-piece which is meant to reduce the nut cracker action) and given how well she's responded to the kinder bit I'm thinking I might get a french-link sweet iron and see if she's even better again (which I perhaps should have gotten to begin with, but oh well)
Re: Sweet Iron bits - harsh or not? [message #2686212 is a reply to message #2686206 ] Mon, 25 June 2012 19:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sorry, I am referring to a sweet iron eggbutt bit.
Re: Sweet Iron bits - harsh or not? [message #2686232 is a reply to message #2686212 ] Mon, 25 June 2012 20:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sorry glanced over that part Smile my bad, I assumed you were just talking sweet iron in general. But I have heard that you need to make sure you at least wipe them off after every ride to help prevent rusting, but I suppose you should do that with every bit. Will definitely go gentler again and try a french link. Just really wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something and using a bit that was harsh in ways I didn't know about on my sensitive mare Very Happy

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Re: Sweet Iron bits - harsh or not? [message #2686268 is a reply to message #2686163 ] Mon, 25 June 2012 20:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think its mostly the different metal? some horses prefer it Smile my girl hates it!

the thinner the bit the more opportunity for it to be harsh but really it will only be as harsh as the hands that hold it.

Re: Sweet Iron bits - harsh or not? [message #2686272 is a reply to message #2686232 ] Mon, 25 June 2012 20:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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kph_89 wrote on Mon, 25 June 2012 20:00

Sorry glanced over that part Smile my bad, I assumed you were just talking sweet iron in general. But I have heard that you need to make sure you at least wipe them off after every ride to help prevent rusting, but I suppose you should do that with every bit. Will definitely go gentler again and try a french link. Just really wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something and using a bit that was harsh in ways I didn't know about on my sensitive mare Very Happy



they are designed to rust up. the rust causes salivation, keeping their mouth wet and preventing chaffing.
Re: Sweet Iron bits - harsh or not? [message #2686605 is a reply to message #2686163 ] Tue, 26 June 2012 11:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have ridden in KK's, but changed to sweet iron as a friend was using one, and her horse responded well to it - so I borrowed it, and my boy loved it, so now he is ridden in one

Any rider can make any bit harsh, really depends on how it is used Very Happy
Re: Sweet Iron bits - harsh or not? [message #2686607 is a reply to message #2686168 ] Tue, 26 June 2012 11:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Sweet Iron bits - harsh or not? [message #2686616 is a reply to message #2686163 ] Tue, 26 June 2012 11:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just be aware that the rust can leave little 'nodules' of iron that will rub your horses mouth. That's why sometimes people think these are harsh bits as they see the rubbing from where the bit has rusted down unevenly. A bit of sandpaper fixes them up, but its something you need to be aware of.

I only learnt this from my own experience with one. My poor boy had rub marks on his lips after a hunt and I only realized when I was cleaning the bridle and running my hand over the bit in the corners, how annoying those little nodules must have been!
Re: Sweet Iron bits - harsh or not? [message #2686877 is a reply to message #2686616 ] Tue, 26 June 2012 16:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes I have heard that, will be sure to keep an eye on it and have the steel wool/sand paper ready if it starts to feel/look a bit rough Very Happy . Poor baby that would be irritating!
Re: Sweet Iron bits - harsh or not? [message #2686889 is a reply to message #2686232 ] Tue, 26 June 2012 16:28 Go to previous message
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kph_89 wrote on Mon, 25 June 2012 20:00

Sorry glanced over that part Smile my bad, I assumed you were just talking sweet iron in general. But I have heard that you need to make sure you at least wipe them off after every ride to help prevent rusting, but I suppose you should do that with every bit. Will definitely go gentler again and try a french link. Just really wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something and using a bit that was harsh in ways I didn't know about on my sensitive mare Very Happy


french links aren't actually 'gentler', especially on a narrow jawed horse, as the three-way bend means the bit actually pushes on the bars of the horses mouth and can be quite severe. if your horse has a wider jaw they are suitable, narrow jaw- not so much. i found this out the hard way. Smile
IMOH the concept of sweet irons isnt the best, any metal that has the potential ability to cause toxity in my horse i wouldn't be touching. more or less, if you wouldnt put a rusty bit in your mouth why put it in your horses, regardless of the extra salivation.


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