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Anyone else have...... Duck Feet? [message #2706016] Sat, 21 July 2012 22:18 Go to next message
  Finn  
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I have always had terrible (what i call) Duck feet. Which is really just turned out at the ankle.

I have very bad ankles and knees. If i attempt to turn my lower leg and knee in it puts enormous strain on the outside of my knees.

Does anyone have advice as to how to fix this? I was thinking those angled stirrup treads?

Photo to show what im talking about

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Re: Anyone else have...... Duck Feet? [message #2706110 is a reply to message #2706016 ] Sun, 22 July 2012 09:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  CatherineC  
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Try tying the stirrrups to the girth with a soft cord or some hayband, that way the stirrups cannot be forced out into the incorrect position (can not be angled out via your foot/ankle). This worked well for me when I was learning to ride, and had a very crafty instructor. Though it certainly feels strange the first few times you do it!
Re: Anyone else have...... Duck Feet? [message #2706128 is a reply to message #2706016 ] Sun, 22 July 2012 09:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  martina  is currently offline martina  
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Yep these will certainly help, as they simply make you more aware of where your feet are
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But another "cheap" trick for training at home is WOOL string. Tie the stirrup to the girth Very Happy
It's a habbit you have to break and a position your body has to get used to.
A few lesson with a "seat/position specialist" would be great !
Good Luck Cheers MARTINA


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Re: Anyone else have...... Duck Feet? [message #2706152 is a reply to message #2706016 ] Sun, 22 July 2012 10:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  bunny b  
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Ever thought of a visit to a sports physio? It may be a structural problem with your hips, knees and/or ankles and they may be able to help you improve your legs. Just a thought Smile
Re: Anyone else have...... Duck Feet? [message #2706170 is a reply to message #2706152 ] Sun, 22 July 2012 11:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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bunny b wrote on Sun, 22 July 2012 10:57

Ever thought of a visit to a sports physio? It may be a structural problem with your hips, knees and/or ankles and they may be able to help you improve your legs. Just a thought Smile


Yep, good advice and Pilates would be great too !!
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Re: Anyone else have...... Duck Feet? [message #2706181 is a reply to message #2706016 ] Sun, 22 July 2012 12:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  HeidiGA  
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How do you stand/walk when not on the horse? Still like a duck?

For safety reasons tying your feet/stirrups to the girth is actually illegal in competitions so wouldn't recommend doing it (even at home!)

I'd agree with the others about looking at the whole picture. I get Bowen. I had to use the angled stirrup tread on one side due to (horse riding) accident as a youngie meant one hip didn't behave as it should.


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Re: Anyone else have...... Duck Feet? [message #2706214 is a reply to message #2706181 ] Sun, 22 July 2012 13:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  Finn  
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They look interesting Martina.

I have problems with my knees and ankles. I did the cartilage in one knee a few years ago (got smashed into the ground from a horse) and my other knee is now stuffed from compensating and not allowing recovery time.

I am not that severe all the time, just some of it. I do need to be more aware of it and correct, it's just so darn painful.

I'm not very keen on tying the stirrups onto the girth, i think forcing it atm will do more harm than good. I need something that will work gently and gradually.
Re: Anyone else have...... Duck Feet? [message #2706215 is a reply to message #2706214 ] Sun, 22 July 2012 13:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  Finn  
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These are a little better at showing what they are like generally, still bad but not as severe.

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Re: Anyone else have...... Duck Feet? [message #2706233 is a reply to message #2706016 ] Sun, 22 July 2012 14:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  Emma  
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The problem will be stemming from your hips, most likely a tight psoas muscle. Google some stretches to help loosen it up a bit.


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Re: Anyone else have...... Duck Feet? [message #2706476 is a reply to message #2706233 ] Sun, 22 July 2012 20:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  Finn  
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Thanks Emma, i will certainly do that.
Re: Anyone else have...... Duck Feet? [message #2706577 is a reply to message #2706233 ] Sun, 22 July 2012 22:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  HeidiGA  
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Emma wrote on Sun, 22 July 2012 14:20

The problem will be stemming from your hips, most likely a tight psoas muscle. Google some stretches to help loosen it up a bit.


Like the one that has you writhing in pain looking for ways to delicately roll out of the saddle to roll around on the ground?

Have you done it at canter (yeah, thanks Bill Noble) Laughing Laughing


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Re: Anyone else have...... Duck Feet? [message #2706602 is a reply to message #2706016 ] Sun, 22 July 2012 23:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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From a position stand point, I wouldn't call your ankles severe.
As a position specialist, you start corrections from the core, and work outwards.
If you stretch upwards from below the rib cage, and relax the shoulders down (best practised at home in front of a mirror), then by supporting your torso through tightening the stomach muscles. you will find a lot of strain on your back will be relieved and other issues (like the ankles) will either be sorted out, or be easier to correct.

Am I without position faults? Hell no, I have many.

From these pics are your faults bad? God no! I've solved much worse with my own students.


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Re: Anyone else have...... Duck Feet? [message #2709310 is a reply to message #2706602 ] Wed, 25 July 2012 22:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  Supastef  
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*puts hand up* Embarassed
I do too Finn so you aren't alone Smile I was thinking about the angled stirrups too, but I notice I do scrunch my torso, bring my shoulders up, so maybe opening up those areas might help me. I am very aware of it as the indoor locally has mirrors, so you can see what a fez you are Laughing
Re: Anyone else have...... Duck Feet? [message #2709312 is a reply to message #2709310 ] Wed, 25 July 2012 22:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Supastef wrote on Wed, 25 July 2012 22:41

*puts hand up* Embarassed
I do too Finn so you aren't alone Smile I was thinking about the angled stirrups too, but I notice I do scrunch my torso, bring my shoulders up, so maybe opening up those areas might help me. I am very aware of it as the indoor locally has mirrors, so you can see what a fez you are Laughing


Some days i am so thankful for no mirrors!!! Laughing
Re: Anyone else have...... Duck Feet? [message #2710920 is a reply to message #2706233 ] Fri, 27 July 2012 20:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  mischief  
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Emma wrote on Sun, 22 July 2012 14:20

The problem will be stemming from your hips, most likely a tight psoas muscle. Google some stretches to help loosen it up a bit.



Nod Nod Nod

A massage or two will also help release a tight psoas..... along with on-going stretches. This has helped me immensely.


Re: Anyone else have...... Duck Feet? [message #2710974 is a reply to message #2706016 ] Fri, 27 July 2012 21:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I do Embarassed My instrctor calls me wingnut Laughing I have ridiculous photos of where I have (a) Got slack or (b) Concenrating on something else and my feet are almost 90 degrees outwards from my body.

I walk and stand like a duck Sad Its a very hard habit for me to break as if I try and hold my ankle so my foot points forward my knees ache badly and I also feel less balanced as my knee muscles arent developed as much as they should be for that position.

But I will be trying the wool string from stirrup to girth idea though Very Happy


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Re: Anyone else have...... Duck Feet? [message #2711179 is a reply to message #2710974 ] Sat, 28 July 2012 09:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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zoey613 wrote on Fri, 27 July 2012 21:10

I do Embarassed My instrctor calls me wingnut Laughing I have ridiculous photos of where I have (a) Got slack or (b) Concenrating on something else and my feet are almost 90 degrees outwards from my body.

I walk and stand like a duck Sad Its a very hard habit for me to break as if I try and hold my ankle so my foot points forward my knees ache badly and I also feel less balanced as my knee muscles arent developed as much as they should be for that position.

But I will be trying the wool string from stirrup to girth idea though Very Happy


I works and is 100% safe, as you will find it will even break a few times just with your normal "habit" !!
A friend was that violent with her "waving the stirrups", that we had to triple !! the wool string.
Make sure the lenght of the string is matching to what the stirrups position is when it just hangs there.
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Re: Anyone else have...... Duck Feet? [message #2713774 is a reply to message #2710974 ] Wed, 01 August 2012 13:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  Supastef  
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zoey613 wrote on Fri, 27 July 2012 21:10

I do Embarassed My instrctor calls me wingnut Laughing I have ridiculous photos of where I have (a) Got slack or (b) Concenrating on something else and my feet are almost 90 degrees outwards from my body.

I walk and stand like a duck Sad Its a very hard habit for me to break as if I try and hold my ankle so my foot points forward my knees ache badly and I also feel less balanced as my knee muscles arent developed as much as they should be for that position.

But I will be trying the wool string from stirrup to girth idea though Very Happy


My RHS knee aches too when I concentrate on turning it in......think mine is definitely partly conformation Shocked
Re: Anyone else have...... Duck Feet? [message #2718373 is a reply to message #2711179 ] Tue, 07 August 2012 22:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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martina wrote on Sat, 28 July 2012 09:48

zoey613 wrote on Fri, 27 July 2012 21:10

I do Embarassed My instrctor calls me wingnut Laughing I have ridiculous photos of where I have (a) Got slack or (b) Concenrating on something else and my feet are almost 90 degrees outwards from my body.

I walk and stand like a duck Sad Its a very hard habit for me to break as if I try and hold my ankle so my foot points forward my knees ache badly and I also feel less balanced as my knee muscles arent developed as much as they should be for that position.

But I will be trying the wool string from stirrup to girth idea though Very Happy


I works and is 100% safe, as you will find it will even break a few times just with your normal "habit" !!
A friend was that violent with her "waving the stirrups", that we had to triple !! the wool string.
Make sure the lenght of the string is matching to what the stirrups position is when it just hangs there.
Cheers MARTINA



But what if your leg has to sit behind where the girth is? If i tied my stirrups to the girth I wouls still be in arm chair position Embarassed


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Re: Anyone else have...... Duck Feet? [message #2726473 is a reply to message #2706016 ] Sun, 19 August 2012 20:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  CapSilver  is currently offline CapSilver  
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I do this as well I have inner soles I use when I walk but I also wear them when I use to ride. It's genetic my father and all three brothers ride with their toes out
Re: Anyone else have...... Duck Feet? [message #2726633 is a reply to message #2706016 ] Mon, 20 August 2012 07:38 Go to previous message
  in.the.saddle  
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I would ask an expert saddle person as well, I'm sure it may have been at the last Equitana that one said a twist too wide can make your toes turn out. Certainly the stretches as mentioned above may help too. Don't bother with the offset stirrups if you are wanting to fix the problem, IMO they would just make it more comfortable for your foot to be in that position, not help fix it. The gel inserts and flexible sides my stirrups have certainly help with ankle/knee pain - if you were closer you could have a few test goes with them.


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