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Re: John O'Leary and his 'opinions' [message #2715468 is a reply to message #2714972 ] Fri, 03 August 2012 18:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well all I can say I must be obese. I am 5 ft 3 and 71kg and ride in an 18 inch saddle. I am disgusted with myself how dare I but so much weight on my poor pony lol.


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Re: John O'Leary and his 'opinions' [message #2715473 is a reply to message #2714972 ] Fri, 03 August 2012 18:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Oh my god, seriousy!!?? Shocked
I'm about 50kg and ride in a 17inch saddle that fits me well. Confused

That is completely disgusting for him to say that, whether it be about a 17inch saddle or a 19inch saddle, completey out of line.


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Re: John O'Leary and his 'opinions' [message #2715501 is a reply to message #2715133 ] Fri, 03 August 2012 19:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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dryden62 wrote on Fri, 03 August 2012 10:30

kokobene wrote on Fri, 03 August 2012 08:14

Someone just made a point that a 17" in stock saddle sizing is different to English sizing (they said it's the equivalent to approx 19"in English size??).
Still, it's a pretty awful response!!


Oh dear ... rules me out then .. both my dressage and jumping saddles are 19" Laughing Laughing

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Re: John O'Leary and his 'opinions' [message #2715504 is a reply to message #2714972 ] Fri, 03 August 2012 19:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I WAS friends with him on Facebook around8 months ago because a friend of mine raved about him. It lasted about a week as basically his whole page was just running other people and trainers down. And I saw nothing in his training methods that made me think he had the right to laugh at everyone else, and most of what he writes is completely unfounded too! Oddly enough the same friend that raved, has now turned incredibly nasty and we don't talk anymore!LOL! He seriously needs taking down a peg or two....


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Re: John O'Leary and his 'opinions' [message #2715520 is a reply to message #2715504 ] Fri, 03 August 2012 20:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Out of my way, I am in the midst of a hoo haa monologue

Again, a 17" stock saddle is pretty huge.

While I don't agree with the way he says things, and he does have a high opinion of himself, I have seen his training methods in operation and I like them.

If you want to fix a horse with a problem, he will help, and it won't take 12 months of wanky talk to do it. Unlike some others I could name.

Most of these men seem to have interesting personalities. Confused
Re: John O'Leary and his 'opinions' [message #2715550 is a reply to message #2715520 ] Fri, 03 August 2012 20:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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comic wrote on Fri, 03 August 2012 20:04

Again, a 17" stock saddle is pretty huge.

While I don't agree with the way he says things, and he does have a high opinion of himself, I have seen his training methods in operation and I like them.

If you want to fix a horse with a problem, he will help, and it won't take 12 months of wanky talk to do it. Unlike some others I could name.

Most of these men seem to have interesting personalities. Confused


Exactly.

I am friends with him on FB and yes sometimes he has opinions and methods i dont agree with HOWEVER he is free with his advice. People are constantly posting photos onto his page asking for him advice and opinions and he gives it, most others would never give advice for free.

Yes he could have had more tact but people are missing the fact he is not talking ENGLISH SIZING he is talking western and a 17inch western is a darn big saddle.

I am sick of this already and everyone saying 'I am blah blah tall and blah blah kilos and ride in a 17inch' He is NOT i repeat NOT talking english sizing. Not.

Not english sizing.

Does not mean english 17 inch.

Doesn't mean english sizing.

Means western sizing.

Not english sizing.
Re: John O'Leary and his 'opinions' [message #2715587 is a reply to message #2714972 ] Fri, 03 August 2012 21:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't care what the guy does in the rest of his life no one has any right to have a go at someone's weight like this, it is highly unacceptable behaviour.


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Wings wrote on Fri, 03 August 2012 21:58

I don't care what the guy does in the rest of his life no one has any right to have a go at someone's weight like this, it is highly unacceptable behaviour.

Yup! And heaps of trainers I am friends with on Facebook, give advice for free, in a polite and friendly fashion without being judgemental. And he hides under the fact that he's 'all about the horses welfare' but he's seriously all about himself


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Re: John O'Leary and his 'opinions' [message #2715603 is a reply to message #2714972 ] Fri, 03 August 2012 22:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: John O'Leary and his 'opinions' [message #2715605 is a reply to message #2715595 ] Fri, 03 August 2012 22:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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RealityBites wrote on Fri, 03 August 2012 22:03

Wings wrote on Fri, 03 August 2012 21:58

I don't care what the guy does in the rest of his life no one has any right to have a go at someone's weight like this, it is highly unacceptable behaviour.

Yup! And heaps of trainers I am friends with on Facebook, give advice for free, in a polite and friendly fashion without being judgemental. And he hides under the fact that he's 'all about the horses welfare' but he's seriously all about himself



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Re: John O'Leary and his 'opinions' [message #2715613 is a reply to message #2715603 ] Fri, 03 August 2012 22:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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cheveauxpark wrote on Fri, 03 August 2012 22:15

And you can bet your bottom dollar the mans checking it out post by post..
his most humble of servants will be alerting him Confused



probably, lol.


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Re: John O'Leary and his 'opinions' [message #2715645 is a reply to message #2714972 ] Fri, 03 August 2012 23:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I often find the biggest egos go hand in hand with horses .....sad really cause there is nothing that will humble you quicker in reality but obviously humility is something that is preached and not practiced by many.......


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Re: John O'Leary and his 'opinions' [message #2715738 is a reply to message #2715550 ] Sat, 04 August 2012 08:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Finn wrote on Fri, 03 August 2012 20:59

comic wrote on Fri, 03 August 2012 20:04

Again, a 17" stock saddle is pretty huge.

While I don't agree with the way he says things, and he does have a high opinion of himself, I have seen his training methods in operation and I like them.

If you want to fix a horse with a problem, he will help, and it won't take 12 months of wanky talk to do it. Unlike some others I could name.

Most of these men seem to have interesting personalities. Confused


Exactly.

I am friends with him on FB and yes sometimes he has opinions and methods i dont agree with HOWEVER he is free with his advice. People are constantly posting photos onto his page asking for him advice and opinions and he gives it, most others would never give advice for free.

Yes he could have had more tact but people are missing the fact he is not talking ENGLISH SIZING he is talking western and a 17inch western is a darn big saddle.

I am sick of this already and everyone saying 'I am blah blah tall and blah blah kilos and ride in a 17inch' He is NOT i repeat NOT talking english sizing. Not.

Not english sizing.

Does not mean english 17 inch.

Doesn't mean english sizing.

Means western sizing.

Not english sizing.


I must admit, I'm finding the double standard interesting. In one thread we have people howling with moral outrage that a horses welfare may have been compromised at the Olympics by certain training practices, and in another a man who has put the horses welfare above all else is being pilloried for little more than a lack of tact.

Whilst I personally find John's ego nauseating; perhaps if more people spent less time pandering to the delicate sensibilities of the obese, we might not be the fat lard arses that we are.


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Re: John O'Leary and his 'opinions' [message #2715751 is a reply to message #2715738 ] Sat, 04 August 2012 08:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: John O'Leary and his 'opinions' [message #2716021 is a reply to message #2715112 ] Sat, 04 August 2012 15:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: John O'Leary and his 'opinions' [message #2716047 is a reply to message #2715738 ] Sat, 04 August 2012 16:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Equivarna wrote on Sat, 04 August 2012 08:44

Finn wrote on Fri, 03 August 2012 20:59

comic wrote on Fri, 03 August 2012 20:04

Again, a 17" stock saddle is pretty huge.

While I don't agree with the way he says things, and he does have a high opinion of himself, I have seen his training methods in operation and I like them.

If you want to fix a horse with a problem, he will help, and it won't take 12 months of wanky talk to do it. Unlike some others I could name.

Most of these men seem to have interesting personalities. Confused


Exactly.

I am friends with him on FB and yes sometimes he has opinions and methods i dont agree with HOWEVER he is free with his advice. People are constantly posting photos onto his page asking for him advice and opinions and he gives it, most others would never give advice for free.

Yes he could have had more tact but people are missing the fact he is not talking ENGLISH SIZING he is talking western and a 17inch western is a darn big saddle.

I am sick of this already and everyone saying 'I am blah blah tall and blah blah kilos and ride in a 17inch' He is NOT i repeat NOT talking english sizing. Not.

Not english sizing.

Does not mean english 17 inch.

Doesn't mean english sizing.

Means western sizing.

Not english sizing.


I must admit, I'm finding the double standard interesting. In one thread we have people howling with moral outrage that a horses welfare may have been compromised at the Olympics by certain training practices, and in another a man who has put the horses welfare above all else is being pilloried for little more than a lack of tact.

Whilst I personally find John's ego nauseating; perhaps if more people spent less time pandering to the delicate sensibilities of the obese, we might not be the fat lard arses that we are.


I agree with you there. It is socially acceptable to comment on people's disregard for their health when smoking but not being overweight, which I find interesting.

Mind you I don't mean overweight as in anything more than a size 8 which is just ridiculous, I mean people that are actually eating themselves to death.

This man sounds like an absolute tool, no doubt about it.

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loubar wrote on Fri, 03 August 2012 11:50

Hollywood wrote on Fri, 03 August 2012 11:42

Agree that the 17" saddle he was referring to was probably a stock/half breed size which would be approximately 2" bigger in an English size.....I rode in a 17.5" in English saddles and ride in a 16" western......HOWEVER, regardless of this, his comments are disgusting! Mad

I 'friended' him on FB a while ago.....thinking there's always something to learn from different trainers.....all I learnt was that he was an arrogant prick of a man and promptly 'unfriended' him! Laughing


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Re: John O'Leary and his 'opinions' [message #2716100 is a reply to message #2715460 ] Sat, 04 August 2012 17:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I weigh 50kg and ride in a 17" because I have long legs....... What a strange, strange man..... Rolls Eyes Rolls Eyes
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Equivarna wrote on Sat, 04 August 2012 08:44

Finn wrote on Fri, 03 August 2012 20:59

comic wrote on Fri, 03 August 2012 20:04

Again, a 17" stock saddle is pretty huge.

While I don't agree with the way he says things, and he does have a high opinion of himself, I have seen his training methods in operation and I like them.

If you want to fix a horse with a problem, he will help, and it won't take 12 months of wanky talk to do it. Unlike some others I could name.

Most of these men seem to have interesting personalities. Confused


Exactly.

I am friends with him on FB and yes sometimes he has opinions and methods i dont agree with HOWEVER he is free with his advice. People are constantly posting photos onto his page asking for him advice and opinions and he gives it, most others would never give advice for free.

Yes he could have had more tact but people are missing the fact he is not talking ENGLISH SIZING he is talking western and a 17inch western is a darn big saddle.

I am sick of this already and everyone saying 'I am blah blah tall and blah blah kilos and ride in a 17inch' He is NOT i repeat NOT talking english sizing. Not.

Not english sizing.

Does not mean english 17 inch.

Doesn't mean english sizing.

Means western sizing.

Not english sizing.


I must admit, I'm finding the double standard interesting. In one thread we have people howling with moral outrage that a horses welfare may have been compromised at the Olympics by certain training practices, and in another a man who has put the horses welfare above all else is being pilloried for little more than a lack of tact.

Whilst I personally find John's ego nauseating; perhaps if more people spent less time pandering to the delicate sensibilities of the obese, we might not be the fat lard arses that we are.

For starters, I think it's all in his head half of the stuff he rants on about, and he only cares about horses as much as the next person! I don't believe he's gods gift to the horse world, which he obviously does. I don't even LIKE his training methods. And secondly, in what way was he putting the horses welfare first in this particular case?? Did he ask the breed and height of the horse?? Did he ask the owners age or weight?? NO he just made an assumption based on a saddle size, which is both offensive and incredibly arrogant.


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Re: John O'Leary and his 'opinions' [message #2716109 is a reply to message #2714972 ] Sat, 04 August 2012 18:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I must admit I purchased a stock saddle last month, I have never owned one, and asked for the 17 inch saddle. I must have had a petite sounding voice as the lady on the other end of the phone said " they have a very large seat" my response was "I have a very large behind". When the saddle arrived it did indeed have a very large seat. Not the same as english sizes. Laughing Laughing Mr J O'L needs to remove whatever it is he has stuck up his behind.


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susieq wrote on Sat, 04 August 2012 18:01

I must admit I purchased a stock saddle last month, I have never owned one, and asked for the 17 inch saddle. I must have had a petite sounding voice as the lady on the other end of the phone said " they have a very large seat" my response was "I have a very large behind". When the saddle arrived it did indeed have a very large seat. Not the same as english sizes. Laughing Laughing
Mr J O'L needs to remove whatever it is he has stuck up his behind.


maybe it's a 17" saddle!!
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mamasue wrote on Sat, 04 August 2012 18:03

susieq wrote on Sat, 04 August 2012 18:01

I must admit I purchased a stock saddle last month, I have never owned one, and asked for the 17 inch saddle. I must have had a petite sounding voice as the lady on the other end of the phone said " they have a very large seat" my response was "I have a very large behind". When the saddle arrived it did indeed have a very large seat. Not the same as english sizes. Laughing Laughing
Mr J O'L needs to remove whatever it is he has stuck up his behind.


maybe it's a 17" saddle!!

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mamasue wrote on Sat, 04 August 2012 18:03

susieq wrote on Sat, 04 August 2012 18:01

I must admit I purchased a stock saddle last month, I have never owned one, and asked for the 17 inch saddle. I must have had a petite sounding voice as the lady on the other end of the phone said " they have a very large seat" my response was "I have a very large behind". When the saddle arrived it did indeed have a very large seat. Not the same as english sizes. Laughing Laughing
Mr J O'L needs to remove whatever it is he has stuck up his behind.


maybe it's a 17" saddle!!


Stock or English? Laughing Laughing Laughing


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how different is his rantings from anyone posting on here about riders who are over 100kg being too fat to ride

I do belive there was a thread like this not long ago

I like JO methods...Ive met him personally on a few occasions with work and altho he might come across as a pompass arse on forums and what not he is in fact quite an understanding man

BUT he calls a spade a spade.........some people dont like to hear that and would rather it be all rosey

Before we all start ranting on about saddle size.......find out the facts first

If for one think having a 17inc (western saddle)(equivilent of a 19.5inch english saddle)on a horse horrendous...Good on him for saying so

Yes his bed side manner could have been better but how do we know that that email hasnt been tweeked Confused
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Equivarna wrote on Sat, 04 August 2012 08:44

Finn wrote on Fri, 03 August 2012 20:59

comic wrote on Fri, 03 August 2012 20:04

Again, a 17" stock saddle is pretty huge.

While I don't agree with the way he says things, and he does have a high opinion of himself, I have seen his training methods in operation and I like them.

If you want to fix a horse with a problem, he will help, and it won't take 12 months of wanky talk to do it. Unlike some others I could name.

Most of these men seem to have interesting personalities. Confused


Exactly.

I am friends with him on FB and yes sometimes he has opinions and methods i dont agree with HOWEVER he is free with his advice. People are constantly posting photos onto his page asking for him advice and opinions and he gives it, most others would never give advice for free.

Yes he could have had more tact but people are missing the fact he is not talking ENGLISH SIZING he is talking western and a 17inch western is a darn big saddle.

I am sick of this already and everyone saying 'I am blah blah tall and blah blah kilos and ride in a 17inch' He is NOT i repeat NOT talking english sizing. Not.

Not english sizing.

Does not mean english 17 inch.

Doesn't mean english sizing.

Means western sizing.

Not english sizing.


I must admit, I'm finding the double standard interesting. In one thread we have people howling with moral outrage that a horses welfare may have been compromised at the Olympics by certain training practices, and in another a man who has put the horses welfare above all else is being pilloried for little more than a lack of tact.

Whilst I personally find John's ego nauseating; perhaps if more people spent less time pandering to the delicate sensibilities of the obese, we might not be the fat lard arses that we are.


Yep well said.
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PR skills, customer service, professionalism........ he doesnt have any.
There is a wrong and a right way of handling a situation, bottom line is he sucks at it, in this instance he was rude and arrogant, now he will pay the price for it.
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At the end of the day he's running a business. If his lack of tact with people is not more than made up for by his brilliance with horses then that business won't do very well.

ETA I first wrote "lack of tack" which I personally think is an awesome Freudian slip. Smile

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zam zam wrote on Sat, 04 August 2012 18:53

PR skills, customer service, professionalism........ he doesnt have any.
There is a wrong and a right way of handling a situation, bottom line is he sucks at it, in this instance he was rude and arrogant, now he will pay the price for it.
Dickhead!


Exactly! A simple 'sorry I no longer carry that size saddle' is sufficient, there was no need to comment further on someone's size and weight when he hasnt even met them!

Years ago a friend brought a 22in stock saddle that had been originally custom made for a tall footballer, doesnt mean he was too heavy to ride just because he needed that size saddle to ride in!


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Neisje wrote on Sat, 04 August 2012 19:30

zam zam wrote on Sat, 04 August 2012 18:53

PR skills, customer service, professionalism........ he doesnt have any.
There is a wrong and a right way of handling a situation, bottom line is he sucks at it, in this instance he was rude and arrogant, now he will pay the price for it.
Dickhead!


Exactly! A simple 'sorry I no longer carry that size saddle' is sufficient, there was no need to comment further on someone's size and weight when he hasnt even met them!

Years ago a friend brought a 22in stock saddle that had been originally custom made for a tall footballer, doesnt mean he was too heavy to ride just because he needed that size saddle to ride in!


Totally agree.

Those that think it forgiveable because "fat people wouldn't be fat if we told them so" are kidding themselves. The only reason to be nasty to people is because you enjoy putting others down.

I've told people that a young horse I was selling wouldn't be up to their weight - haven't felt the need to insult them at the same time.

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Equivarna wrote on Sat, 04 August 2012 08:44

Finn wrote on Fri, 03 August 2012 20:59

comic wrote on Fri, 03 August 2012 20:04

Again, a 17" stock saddle is pretty huge.

While I don't agree with the way he says things, and he does have a high opinion of himself, I have seen his training methods in operation and I like them.

If you want to fix a horse with a problem, he will help, and it won't take 12 months of wanky talk to do it. Unlike some others I could name.

Most of these men seem to have interesting personalities. Confused


Exactly.

I am friends with him on FB and yes sometimes he has opinions and methods i dont agree with HOWEVER he is free with his advice. People are constantly posting photos onto his page asking for him advice and opinions and he gives it, most others would never give advice for free.

Yes he could have had more tact but people are missing the fact he is not talking ENGLISH SIZING he is talking western and a 17inch western is a darn big saddle.

I am sick of this already and everyone saying 'I am blah blah tall and blah blah kilos and ride in a 17inch' He is NOT i repeat NOT talking english sizing. Not.

Not english sizing.

Does not mean english 17 inch.

Doesn't mean english sizing.

Means western sizing.

Not english sizing.


I must admit, I'm finding the double standard interesting. In one thread we have people howling with moral outrage that a horses welfare may have been compromised at the Olympics by certain training practices, and in another a man who has put the horses welfare above all else is being pilloried for little more than a lack of tact.

Whilst I personally find John's ego nauseating; perhaps if more people spent less time pandering to the delicate sensibilities of the obese, we might not be the fat lard arses that we are.


You get it, the majority here don't. I'm guessing that's because fat is the new thin!


UNDERSTEER is when you hit the wall with the front of the car. OVERSTEER is when you hit the wall with the rear. HORSEPOWER is how fast you hit the wall. TORQUE is how far you take the wall with you.
Re: John O'Leary and his 'opinions' [message #2716252 is a reply to message #2714972 ] Sat, 04 August 2012 21:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Weight is not for strangers over the internet, it is something for family, friends and those actually connected to the individual to comment on.
I still can't believe that people are defending this man's 'right' to comment on a subject he knew nothing about outside of a saddle size request.


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Re: John O'Leary and his 'opinions' [message #2716261 is a reply to message #2716242 ] Sat, 04 August 2012 21:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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sprintman wrote on Sat, 04 August 2012 20:56

Equivarna wrote on Sat, 04 August 2012 08:44

Finn wrote on Fri, 03 August 2012 20:59

comic wrote on Fri, 03 August 2012 20:04

Again, a 17" stock saddle is pretty huge.

While I don't agree with the way he says things, and he does have a high opinion of himself, I have seen his training methods in operation and I like them.

If you want to fix a horse with a problem, he will help, and it won't take 12 months of wanky talk to do it. Unlike some others I could name.

Most of these men seem to have interesting personalities. Confused


Exactly.

I am friends with him on FB and yes sometimes he has opinions and methods i dont agree with HOWEVER he is free with his advice. People are constantly posting photos onto his page asking for him advice and opinions and he gives it, most others would never give advice for free.

Yes he could have had more tact but people are missing the fact he is not talking ENGLISH SIZING he is talking western and a 17inch western is a darn big saddle.

I am sick of this already and everyone saying 'I am blah blah tall and blah blah kilos and ride in a 17inch' He is NOT i repeat NOT talking english sizing. Not.

Not english sizing.

Does not mean english 17 inch.

Doesn't mean english sizing.

Means western sizing.

Not english sizing.


I must admit, I'm finding the double standard interesting. In one thread we have people howling with moral outrage that a horses welfare may have been compromised at the Olympics by certain training practices, and in another a man who has put the horses welfare above all else is being pilloried for little more than a lack of tact.

Whilst I personally find John's ego nauseating; perhaps if more people spent less time pandering to the delicate sensibilities of the obese, we might not be the fat lard arses that we are.


You get it, the majority here don't. I'm guessing that's because fat is the new thin!



Are you assuming those posting are overweight?
If so you are so very wrong!
I personally can ride in a 15 inch english saddle, small enough?
I"m a business owner, customer service is paramount to success.
Rudeness and arrogance is not!


If it sparkles or its fluffy its all good.
Re: John O'Leary and his 'opinions' [message #2716264 is a reply to message #2716261 ] Sat, 04 August 2012 21:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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zam zam wrote on Sat, 04 August 2012 21:21

sprintman wrote on Sat, 04 August 2012 20:56

Equivarna wrote on Sat, 04 August 2012 08:44

Finn wrote on Fri, 03 August 2012 20:59

comic wrote on Fri, 03 August 2012 20:04

Again, a 17" stock saddle is pretty huge.

While I don't agree with the way he says things, and he does have a high opinion of himself, I have seen his training methods in operation and I like them.

If you want to fix a horse with a problem, he will help, and it won't take 12 months of wanky talk to do it. Unlike some others I could name.

Most of these men seem to have interesting personalities. Confused


Exactly.

I am friends with him on FB and yes sometimes he has opinions and methods i dont agree with HOWEVER he is free with his advice. People are constantly posting photos onto his page asking for him advice and opinions and he gives it, most others would never give advice for free.

Yes he could have had more tact but people are missing the fact he is not talking ENGLISH SIZING he is talking western and a 17inch western is a darn big saddle.

I am sick of this already and everyone saying 'I am blah blah tall and blah blah kilos and ride in a 17inch' He is NOT i repeat NOT talking english sizing. Not.

Not english sizing.

Does not mean english 17 inch.

Doesn't mean english sizing.

Means western sizing.

Not english sizing.


I must admit, I'm finding the double standard interesting. In one thread we have people howling with moral outrage that a horses welfare may have been compromised at the Olympics by certain training practices, and in another a man who has put the horses welfare above all else is being pilloried for little more than a lack of tact.

Whilst I personally find John's ego nauseating; perhaps if more people spent less time pandering to the delicate sensibilities of the obese, we might not be the fat lard arses that we are.


You get it, the majority here don't. I'm guessing that's because fat is the new thin!



Are you assuming those posting are overweight?
If so you are so very wrong!
I personally can ride in a 15 inch english saddle, small enough?
I"m a business owner, customer service is paramount to success.
Rudeness and arrogance is not!



You made an incorrect assumption.


UNDERSTEER is when you hit the wall with the front of the car. OVERSTEER is when you hit the wall with the rear. HORSEPOWER is how fast you hit the wall. TORQUE is how far you take the wall with you.
Re: John O'Leary and his 'opinions' [message #2716274 is a reply to message #2716264 ] Sat, 04 August 2012 21:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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sprintman wrote on Sat, 04 August 2012 21:26

zam zam wrote on Sat, 04 August 2012 21:21

sprintman wrote on Sat, 04 August 2012 20:56

Equivarna wrote on Sat, 04 August 2012 08:44

Finn wrote on Fri, 03 August 2012 20:59

comic wrote on Fri, 03 August 2012 20:04

Again, a 17" stock saddle is pretty huge.

While I don't agree with the way he says things, and he does have a high opinion of himself, I have seen his training methods in operation and I like them.

If you want to fix a horse with a problem, he will help, and it won't take 12 months of wanky talk to do it. Unlike some others I could name.

Most of these men seem to have interesting personalities. Confused


Exactly.

I am friends with him on FB and yes sometimes he has opinions and methods i dont agree with HOWEVER he is free with his advice. People are constantly posting photos onto his page asking for him advice and opinions and he gives it, most others would never give advice for free.

Yes he could have had more tact but people are missing the fact he is not talking ENGLISH SIZING he is talking western and a 17inch western is a darn big saddle.

I am sick of this already and everyone saying 'I am blah blah tall and blah blah kilos and ride in a 17inch' He is NOT i repeat NOT talking english sizing. Not.

Not english sizing.

Does not mean english 17 inch.

Doesn't mean english sizing.

Means western sizing.

Not english sizing.


I must admit, I'm finding the double standard interesting. In one thread we have people howling with moral outrage that a horses welfare may have been compromised at the Olympics by certain training practices, and in another a man who has put the horses welfare above all else is being pilloried for little more than a lack of tact.

Whilst I personally find John's ego nauseating; perhaps if more people spent less time pandering to the delicate sensibilities of the obese, we might not be the fat lard arses that we are.


You get it, the majority here don't. I'm guessing that's because fat is the new thin!



Are you assuming those posting are overweight?
If so you are so very wrong!
I personally can ride in a 15 inch english saddle, small enough?
I"m a business owner, customer service is paramount to success.
Rudeness and arrogance is not!



You made an incorrect assumption.


and your guess "fat is the new thin"?
Acceptance that people come in all shapes and sizes is becoming the norm.
Whilst on the topic of assumption what size saddle do you think someone like Serena Williams would need?


If it sparkles or its fluffy its all good.
Re: John O'Leary and his 'opinions' [message #2716282 is a reply to message #2715738 ] Sat, 04 August 2012 21:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Equivarna wrote on Sat, 04 August 2012 08:44


I must admit, I'm finding the double standard interesting. In one thread we have people howling with moral outrage that a horses welfare may have been compromised at the Olympics by certain training practices, and in another a man who has put the horses welfare above all else is being pilloried for little more than a lack of tact.

Whilst I personally find John's ego nauseating; perhaps if more people spent less time pandering to the delicate sensibilities of the obese, we might not be the fat lard arses that we are.


Confused A lack of tact is "Sorry I no longer sell that size saddle because I think there's few horses that could carry that type of weight without compromising their welfare".
What he did was blatantly insult the questioner with no more info than his own preconceived ideas about the reasons why someone would want a saddle that big or the animal they would be using it on.
I come from a school of thought that you can't be a good animal trainer without having good people skills (after all, who owns the animals you think you are helping???)...

Sprintman - Zam didn't assume anything, she asked you a question Smile
Re: John O'Leary and his 'opinions' [message #2716285 is a reply to message #2716282 ] Sat, 04 August 2012 22:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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djrayment wrote on Sat, 04 August 2012 21:57

Equivarna wrote on Sat, 04 August 2012 08:44


I must admit, I'm finding the double standard interesting. In one thread we have people howling with moral outrage that a horses welfare may have been compromised at the Olympics by certain training practices, and in another a man who has put the horses welfare above all else is being pilloried for little more than a lack of tact.

Whilst I personally find John's ego nauseating; perhaps if more people spent less time pandering to the delicate sensibilities of the obese, we might not be the fat lard arses that we are.


Confused A lack of tact is "Sorry I no longer sell that size saddle because I think there's few horses that could carry that type of weight without compromising their welfare".
What he did was blatantly insult the questioner with no more info than his own preconceived ideas about the reasons why someone would want a saddle that big or the animal they would be using it on.
I come from a school of thought that you can't be a good animal trainer without having good people skills (after all, who owns the animals you think you are helping???)...

Sprintman - Zam didn't assume anything, she asked you a question Smile

Smile I'll happily concede that "lack of tact" was something of an understatement, but you get my drift. Laughing


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Finn wrote on Sat, 04 August 2012 18:39

Equivarna wrote on Sat, 04 August 2012 08:44

Finn wrote on Fri, 03 August 2012 20:59

comic wrote on Fri, 03 August 2012 20:04

Again, a 17" stock saddle is pretty huge.

While I don't agree with the way he says things, and he does have a high opinion of himself, I have seen his training methods in operation and I like them.

If you want to fix a horse with a problem, he will help, and it won't take 12 months of wanky talk to do it. Unlike some others I could name.

Most of these men seem to have interesting personalities. Confused


Exactly.

I am friends with him on FB and yes sometimes he has opinions and methods i dont agree with HOWEVER he is free with his advice. People are constantly posting photos onto his page asking for him advice and opinions and he gives it, most others would never give advice for free.

Yes he could have had more tact but people are missing the fact he is not talking ENGLISH SIZING he is talking western and a 17inch western is a darn big saddle.

I am sick of this already and everyone saying 'I am blah blah tall and blah blah kilos and ride in a 17inch' He is NOT i repeat NOT talking english sizing. Not.

Not english sizing.

Does not mean english 17 inch.

Doesn't mean english sizing.

Means western sizing.

Not english sizing.


I must admit, I'm finding the double standard interesting. In one thread we have people howling with moral outrage that a horses welfare may have been compromised at the Olympics by certain training practices, and in another a man who has put the horses welfare above all else is being pilloried for little more than a lack of tact.

Whilst I personally find John's ego nauseating; perhaps if more people spent less time pandering to the delicate sensibilities of the obese, we might not be the fat lard arses that we are.


Yep well said.


I agree with Equivarna as well!

I have found some of his youtube clips very helpful. While I agree that he has a big ego, so do many other high profile horse people!!

And, lastly, he may be very blunt, he does have the horses welfare as a priority, which is always a good thing!
Re: John O'Leary and his 'opinions' [message #2716301 is a reply to message #2716285 ] Sat, 04 August 2012 22:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Equivarna wrote on Sat, 04 August 2012 22:03


Smile I'll happily concede that "lack of tact" was something of an understatement, but you get my drift. Laughing


Yeah I do Laughing but that doesn't make him any less of an arse (which is what most people seem to be most incensed about) - no-one that has as much to loose as he does, risks it by speaking to people like that unless they are getting a kick out of it, because he's sure as hell not helping the horses by turning people off with his arrogance and condescending comments.

FWIW, I wouldn't let him touch any of my animals with a bargepole - if he is so closed-minded and sorely lacking in empathy towards other people, the mind boggles with what he'd be like with an 'inferior species' Confused Neutral
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Private Eye wrote on Sat, 04 August 2012 18:28

how different is his rantings from anyone posting on here about riders who are over 100kg being too fat to ride

I do belive there was a thread like this not long ago

I like JO methods...Ive met him personally on a few occasions with work and altho he might come across as a pompass arse on forums and what not he is in fact quite an understanding man

BUT he calls a spade a spade.........some people dont like to hear that and would rather it be all rosey

Before we all start ranting on about saddle size.......find out the facts first

If for one think having a 17inc (western saddle)(equivilent of a 19.5inch english saddle)on a horse horrendous...Good on him for saying so

Yes his bed side manner could have been better but how do we know that that email hasnt been tweeked Confused


How correct you are I love his methods I truly believe he has the horses welfare at heart, did anyone on here ever wonder what was written in the original letter to John or perhaps the follow up letter before he responded with the way he did, no everyone just jumps on the band wagon. I have been at riding club where a member was told by an instructor that she needed to buy a bigger saddle as the saddle was too small and putting too much pressure on her horses back, this was said in a very diplomatic way, the response was I cant afford another saddle, so the instructor then said it would be wise if you went on a diet, in which the member then went of crying and running down the hell out of the instructor. There are two sides to every story Crying or Very Sad


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Re: John O'Leary and his 'opinions' [message #2716395 is a reply to message #2714972 ] Sun, 05 August 2012 09:16 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Despite his methods, whether he has the horse's welfare at heart or not, this is not a good way to conduct business and at an even more basic level than that, it is not a good way to treat other people.

I don't go around spouting racist, sexist, xenophobic or bigoted comments and then excuse myself on the basis that I'm 'telling it like it is'. Imagine if we all did that? I know in redneck circles political correctness is frowned upon but I don't think it's about applying to social standards for the sake of being PC. I think it's about treating other people with respect.

In this situation, as far as we know, John O'Leary had not seen the person in question. He didn't know her from a bar of soap. So what on earth made him respond to her inquiry in such a rude way? Sure, he's allowed, but I think it reveals a hell of a lot about him. To me it's another offence in a long list of him being behaving in print like a chauvinist, racist douchebag. And that's enough to stop me from supporting him in the future, no matter what he's like in person. Why wouldn't he just write that he no longer stocks those saddles on the basis of welfare. Why not leave it at that if he had to? His hubris is rather astounding and I think people have every right to say that. And that's ME 'telling it like it is' Smile
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