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Joint supplement information needed [message #1909009] Mon, 28 June 2010 22:01 Go to next message
  shazakirs  
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I was after some advice on what types of products you all use, if use have this problem.

My daughters horse has had stifle problems for a while but recently it has all become worse, so we had a vet come out and see him and she said to try joint supplement to see if that will help him before considering other options.

So was wondering if any body on here has had the same problem and what they have done? Also which brand in joint supplements have you found more effective?

Any advice would helpful, thanks
Re: Joint supplement information needed [message #1909351 is a reply to message #1909009 ] Tue, 29 June 2010 08:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  born2ride_02  is currently offline born2ride_02  
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On my gelding whose 18/19 years old and doing Grade 2 Dressage & SJ we started him on Pentosan injections. These:

1. Improves Cartilage Quality
2. Improves Joint Fluid Quality
3. Inhibits Destructive Enzymes
4. Provides Anti-Inflammatory Activity
5. Increases Blood Supply to Joints

Intra-Muscular Dose: 3 mg/kg Pentosan Polysulfate Sodium at 5 - 7 day intervals for 4 injections. i.e. 6 mL (1 vial) Pentosan Equine for a 500 kg horse every 5 - 7 days for 4 doses. So once a week for 4 weeks then once a month. Thats how we administer it.

http://www.naturevet.com.au/prodetails.php?pid=89

We also give him lubrisyn in the 1-2 weeks coming up to a competition, and double the dose the night before. When horses train and exercise the synovial fluid in their joints breaks down more quickly. A daily dose of LubriSyn helps restore the viscosity of that cushioning fluid. As horses age, they suffer the loss of HA levels, increasing the potential for inflammation and arthritis. LubriSyn sustains the integrity of joint fluid, helping reduce the need for costly and painful HA injections.

http://www.lubrisyn.com/about-lubrisyn-equine.html

Smile I hope thats helpful.


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Re: Joint supplement information needed [message #1909368 is a reply to message #1909009 ] Tue, 29 June 2010 09:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  Holted  is currently offline Holted  
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My horse has pedal osteoarthritis and a couple of other minor joint issues and my vet and farrier have recommended the following:

Every summer a course of Pentosan injections IM.

Every winter a course of Cosequin. Apparently this is the only supp scientifically tested and proven to contain the amounts of active ingredients it is supposed to and that it actually works Smile

Pentosan and hoof management significantly helped this mare in question. She was in eponas and now she is in toe tips Cool


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Re: Joint supplement information needed [message #1909372 is a reply to message #1909351 ] Tue, 29 June 2010 09:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  CPSportHorses  is currently offline CPSportHorses  
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I used Pentesan on my eventers last season and noticed a little change, but this season I've had them both on Shark Net and have really found a tremendous difference.
One of my horses CP Gulliver is a terrible sook and HATES needles so the powder in the feed is a much simpler way of getting the joint supplement in for me.
Google Shark Net and you'll find some great testimonials.
Works as well as Cosequin for half the price!
Good Luck Very Happy

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Re: Joint supplement information needed [message #1909888 is a reply to message #1909372 ] Tue, 29 June 2010 13:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  shazakirs  
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Thanks guys,

My vet did tell me about the injections but she said to try the joint supplement first to see if he has an improvement.
She also told me about the operation and she quoted me $360, she said that the operation would work out cheaper then the injections, but i want what is best for him.

Just wondering if anyone has had the operation done? does the horse have any side effects or problems after?
What would use recommend as the better option?

Sorry to be a pain, just wanting to know what others think about it all, to make the best decision for him.
Re: Joint supplement information needed [message #1909919 is a reply to message #1909009 ] Tue, 29 June 2010 14:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In my experience and knowledge stifle problems are generally always a secondary issue to something else that is going on. The mare I have on lease had some stifle issues when I first put her into medium work and started jumping anything over level 5/4.

I tried massage and rest first. She attacked the massage lady who told me it was her build that was causing the problem Shocked Embarassed Anyway said massage lady would not come back out (fair enough Embarassed ) so I looked at a vet chiro and the mares owner recommended Dr Ian Bidstrup, spinal vet and he has helped soooo much and I have to say I was skeptical! Here is his site:
http://www.spinalvet.com.au/

She did need some rest initially (not as much as I thought), some chiro work and injections into the muscle (I think vit B), and he sent me home with some exercises and stretches for her and her education had to be taken a lot slower than planned. She is now sound and one side is completely free from problems and the other stifle is well on it's way. Initially her saw her twice in a month, then in 8 weeks, not it's every 3 months and will soon go to every 6 months Smile The only downside is I have to tow her to Kilmore Equine or Wangaratta for treatment as he does not travel, but it is well worth it.

She also had the course of Pentosan for something else which probably helped the stifles too. These are about $70-80 an injection and they need 3-4, one a week for the course. Still cheaper than a joint supp Smile I would leave surgery as a very last resort, you need to find the problem first rather than treat the secondary issue. And make sure your saddle fits well, Kiefer is pretty much the only saddle that fits the mare I have well, stupid TB's Rolls Eyes


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Re: Joint supplement information needed [message #1909958 is a reply to message #1909351 ] Tue, 29 June 2010 14:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  Broodmare1  is currently offline Broodmare1  
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born2ride_02 wrote on Tue, 29 June 2010 08:59

On my gelding whose 18/19 years old and doing Grade 2 Dressage & SJ we started him on Pentosan injections. These:

1. Improves Cartilage Quality
2. Improves Joint Fluid Quality
3. Inhibits Destructive Enzymes
4. Provides Anti-Inflammatory Activity
5. Increases Blood Supply to Joints

Intra-Muscular Dose: 3 mg/kg Pentosan Polysulfate Sodium at 5 - 7 day intervals for 4 injections. i.e. 6 mL (1 vial) Pentosan Equine for a 500 kg horse every 5 - 7 days for 4 doses. So once a week for 4 weeks then once a month. Thats how we administer it.

http://www.naturevet.com.au/prodetails.php?pid=89

We also give him lubrisyn in the 1-2 weeks coming up to a competition, and double the dose the night before. When horses train and exercise the synovial fluid in their joints breaks down more quickly. A daily dose of LubriSyn helps restore the viscosity of that cushioning fluid. As horses age, they suffer the loss of HA levels, increasing the potential for inflammation and arthritis. LubriSyn sustains the integrity of joint fluid, helping reduce the need for costly and painful HA injections.

http://www.lubrisyn.com/about-lubrisyn-equine.html

Smile I hope thats helpful.


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My horse has HA injections(iv) every 4 months and it is around the $100 mark to inject plus the cost of getting the vet out and him doing flexion tests. Working really well for her problem joint(degeneration in her fetlock joint) and shes had no soundness issues since she started on the injections and she is in full work Smile

The Shark Net supplement seems to get a good rap; we used to use Cosequin on the racehorses, seemed good but geez its expensive stuff. I'm really glad my vet steered me the way of injections and not joint powders, apart from getting mighty confused with all the products out there its much more cost effective...well for our situation anyway Smile
Re: Joint supplement information needed [message #1909993 is a reply to message #1909351 ] Tue, 29 June 2010 14:42 Go to previous message
  Kris  is currently offline Kris  
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born2ride_02 wrote on Tue, 29 June 2010 08:59


http://www.naturevet.com.au/prodetails.php?pid=89

We also give him lubrisyn in the 1-2 weeks coming up to a competition, and double the dose the night before. When horses train and exercise the synovial fluid in their joints breaks down more quickly. A daily dose of LubriSyn helps restore the viscosity of that cushioning fluid. As horses age, they suffer the loss of HA levels, increasing the potential for inflammation and arthritis. LubriSyn sustains the integrity of joint fluid, helping reduce the need for costly and painful HA injections.

http://www.lubrisyn.com/about-lubrisyn-equine.html




Hi

I looked at giving Lubrasyn about 14 months ago on my vet's recommendation, but couldn't source it here so used another product instead. How do you get hold of it?

Thanks
Kris
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