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| Re: The BSL have struck [message #2677650 is a reply to message #2677647 ] |
Fri, 15 June 2012 20:44   |
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How sad. 
[Updated on: Fri, 15 June 2012 21:04]
Toot toot chugga chugga big red car...
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| Re: The BSL have struck [message #2677862 is a reply to message #2677647 ] |
Sat, 16 June 2012 09:30 |
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That bloke needs glasses, these dogs look nothing like a pit bull, my friend has a mastiff and they look like his dog, I feel very sorry for the owner.
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| Re: The BSL have struck [message #2677960 is a reply to message #2677862 ] |
Sat, 16 June 2012 11:41 |
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| clydesdalelover wrote on Sat, 16 June 2012 09:30 |
That bloke needs glasses, these dogs look nothing like a pit bull, my friend has a mastiff and they look like his dog, I feel very sorry for the owner.
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Agree. These dogs look nothing like the pictures that they put up for identification. I hope the owner is able to take it further to stop it happening to other dogs and owners.
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| Re: The BSL have struck [message #2678337 is a reply to message #2677647 ] |
Sat, 16 June 2012 21:51 |
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I am so glad I have two poodles and a Great Dane, all registered. There is no way I would risk having a crossbreed dog, especially one that had any resemblance at all to a Pit Bull. Although in the case of these two dogs, they looked nothing like a pit bull
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| Re: The BSL have struck [message #2678380 is a reply to message #2678337 ] |
Sat, 16 June 2012 22:55 |
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Sad ending for these two dogs
Sadly I don't think it will be the last story like this that we hear/read about.
I am far from an expert but neither dog looked pit bull to me, some people think they know breeds by just looking at them, but visual observation is not always correct.
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| Re: The BSL have struck [message #2678386 is a reply to message #2678337 ] |
Sat, 16 June 2012 23:12 |
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MissMaddy 
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The scariest part of this law though, is that the only breed that can be exempt is an am staff with papers. So if they really wanted to destroy your say mastiff or ridgeback with papers, labelling it as a pit bull type, bad luck, the loop hole in the law says they can unless it's an amstaff with papers. This is why I don't understand anyone breeding our buying an unregistered bull breed of any type right now, too much potential for heartache. This law gives rangers ridiculous good-like powers, and I have also heard of some rangers picking a lab as a Pitty from pics. A lot have no idea what they're looking at, as this case has demonstrated.
They're targeting all staffy, mastiff and am staff registered dogs or a cross of these breeds if not registered with the ANKC. Oh, and also trading post and gum tree ads of these breeds.
To make matters even worse, though, it is believed some councils will allow pit bulls and crosses if they were correctly registered the first year, but then won't register them at all next year, then allowing them to destroy them for being unregistered pit bulls.
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| Re: The BSL have struck [message #2678503 is a reply to message #2677647 ] |
Sun, 17 June 2012 09:42 |
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This makes me worry for my sisters dog, who is a staffy x but looks quite pittbullish. She is registered with the council as eng staff x am staff but in light of these new laws my sister has talked about having her DNA tested as a back up, just in case.
Problem is, she's worried it could backfire. So does anyone know if a DNA test comes back positive with Pitbull heritage, are the vets or laboratory obliged to report it?
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| Re: The BSL have struck [message #2678506 is a reply to message #2678503 ] |
Sun, 17 June 2012 09:52 |
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| FruitOfEquivarna wrote on Sun, 17 June 2012 09:42 |
This makes me worry for my sisters dog, who is a staffy x but looks quite pittbullish. She is registered with the council as eng staff x am staff but in light of these new laws my sister has talked about having her DNA tested as a back up, just in case.
Problem is, she's worried it could backfire. So does anyone know if a DNA test comes back positive with Pitbull heritage, are the vets or laboratory obliged to report it?
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They aren't accepting the DNA as evidence anyway so probably not worth the risk.
"There is just as much horse sense as ever, but the horses have most of it."
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| Re: The BSL have struck [message #2678535 is a reply to message #2678503 ] |
Sun, 17 June 2012 10:33 |
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djrayment
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| FruitOfEquivarna wrote on Sun, 17 June 2012 09:42 |
This makes me worry for my sisters dog, who is a staffy x but looks quite pittbullish. She is registered with the council as eng staff x am staff but in light of these new laws my sister has talked about having her DNA tested as a back up, just in case.
Problem is, she's worried it could backfire. So does anyone know if a DNA test comes back positive with Pitbull heritage, are the vets or laboratory obliged to report it?
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I don't think they are required to report it but it won't do anything anyway because (as Miss Mady aready explained in more detail above) the law is written to allow AMOs to have the entire say based on the dogs appearance, with the only exception being ANKC registration as an AmStaf.
I've also known a number of dogs that looked NOTHING like a pit (and by nothing I mean NOTHING - closer to a Greyhound X than anything else) come back as having X amount Pit 'genetic heritage' - DNA testing is not conclusive because most of these breeds have not been distinct breeds long enough to throw up a significantly different profile (especially as crosses).
There was actually a case in QLD last year or late the year before where the owner won because the council couldn't prove that his unregistered AmStaf WAS a pitbull because the genetics of the two breeds are identical and they are still dual registerable in the USA - basically the judge said APBTs and AmStafs are the same breed for all intents and purposes, so because the council allowed AmStafs they had to allow any dog reported by the owner as an AmStaf to live regardless. Because the ANKC won't allow the gov to ban AmStafs (it'd be a brave/stupid government that tried), Ted's solution was to allow only ANKC registered dogs and ban everything else based on it's looks. The ANKC won't argue with this at all because most of them are pure breed dog enthusiasts (although they are still worried about the ban being applied to other breeds as has been tried in the past and happens in other countries).
The most stupid thing about this, is that if you breed a 'pure' pit (if there is still such a thing in this country) with a heeler, any offspring with a merle coat are safe while any offspring that have solid coats would likely be up for PTS. Same goes for pure white dogs etc. The stupid bastards actually put a picture of a staffy in the standard (have a look at Figure 3!) - I won't even comment on the 'tail standard' then to say W...t...F....!. http://www.dpi.vic.gov.au/pets/about-pets/legislation-and-re gulation/standard-for-restricted-breed-dogs
I was the same as Merlot in the beginning, thinking that the laws would be pretty useless, especially after seeing the QLD results. I then got an education in how truly incompetant and driven by the media this government is, when I got a lady from DPI who is involved with the development of animal related laws (pretty high up in the chain too) to talk to my class, she even told us of how the decision was made, being basically that some idiot from the H/Sun put Peter on the spot during a press conference and he gave a hot headed statement about killing any dog that looks like a pitbull becaue the public is afraid of dogs that look like pitbulls and thy refused to go back on their 'word' after that - very disillusioned and really angry by the end of that day. I then spoke with a few other people in the industry that I know who are normally consulted for things like this - even with the tiny amount of notice they were given to prepare, every one of them advised against it and even presented evidence that it has never worked and is currently being repealed in about a dozen Euro countries AND drew attention to successful campaigns and legislations aimed at reducing dog bites - Gov ignored everyone 
I used to doubt that they would ever ban other breeds (Rotts, Dobes etc.) but not anymore, just look at comments like that ignoramus 'Irene' on here, the same sentiment gets put forward in every comments section on every newspaper article and it just fuels the stupidity - god help them the day they come to take my dog as someone will get badly hurt and the dog will be safely locked away in his kennel while it happens
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| Re: The BSL have struck [message #2678557 is a reply to message #2677647 ] |
Sun, 17 June 2012 11:04 |
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Very well said djrayment.
"There is just as much horse sense as ever, but the horses have most of it."
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| Re: The BSL have struck [message #2678565 is a reply to message #2678557 ] |
Sun, 17 June 2012 11:18 |
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with the non-qualified AMO they have in most shires, it is now wonder that even Maltese will soon be mistaken for APBT 
I wanted to hit one on the head the other day when he told a client that the reason his working dog breed was escaping was purely because he exercised it each day, the simple solution being that if he stopped walking the dog, then the dog wouldn't stray.
I fired up completely and went off at him, and his very unqualified opinions, compared to my qualified opinions ( I suggested enrichment, exercise and training with separation anxiety problems would make a big difference to this dog) and was told he had owned dogs all his life and he knew everything about them. I was going to reply I know I have a brain, but that doesn't make me a brain surgeon!
This is the same AMO that also told us he had a baby Foxhound- was a lemon Beagle aged 3+ years; that to catch a stray horse you just chase it around on the road for a bit, then it will stop and come right up to you  plus other things.....he also lost one of his own dogs due to it continually roaming....he had to surrender it...
what chance do we have indeed!
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| Re: The BSL have struck [message #2678594 is a reply to message #2678565 ] |
Sun, 17 June 2012 11:55 |
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djrayment
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| honeyjoy wrote on Sun, 17 June 2012 11:18 |
with the non-qualified AMO they have in most shires, it is now wonder that even Maltese will soon be mistaken for APBT
I wanted to hit one on the head the other day when he told a client that the reason his working dog breed was escaping was purely because he exercised it each day, the simple solution being that if he stopped walking the dog, then the dog wouldn't stray.
I fired up completely and went off at him, and his very unqualified opinions, compared to my qualified opinions ( I suggested enrichment, exercise and training with separation anxiety problems would make a big difference to this dog) and was told he had owned dogs all his life and he knew everything about them. I was going to reply I know I have a brain, but that doesn't make me a brain surgeon!
This is the same AMO that also told us he had a baby Foxhound- was a lemon Beagle aged 3+ years; that to catch a stray horse you just chase it around on the road for a bit, then it will stop and come right up to you plus other things.....he also lost one of his own dogs due to it continually roaming....he had to surrender it...
what chance do we have indeed!
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Wow  and I thought that multiple AMOs thinking that Dobes were just underfed Rotts was the epitomy of studipity...
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| Re: The BSL have struck [message #2678597 is a reply to message #2678594 ] |
Sun, 17 June 2012 11:59 |
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Give them a uniform, cages and a catching pole and it goes to their tiny undertrained minds
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| Re: The BSL have struck [message #2679306 is a reply to message #2677647 ] |
Mon, 18 June 2012 10:20 |
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BSL isn't working - it's just made pit bulls more 'attractive' to the dropkicks... I know of 3 definite pit bulls in town being passed off as am staffs.. 2 of those born AFTER the BSL came into effect... The only reason they GOT the pups - for the attention it brings...
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| Re: The BSL have struck [message #2679496 is a reply to message #2677647 ] |
Mon, 18 June 2012 12:58 |
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Does this law exist in NSW??? Wow I am shocked this is happening... and if it does exist in NSW, worried for my little guy who has the sweetest nature but is a staffy x. Disgusting, I feel for these dogs and their owners
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The BSL have struck
He was 73 Kgs and looked like a Bullmastiff! I had to take all his paperwork in with breeders ph number etc to prove his breeding. At the time I thought it was hilarious, but now it just scares me that people in power honestly have no idea what they are looking at.......
