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Re: THIS is an American Bulldog [message #2712680 is a reply to message #2712666 ] Mon, 30 July 2012 11:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  Emma  
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Holted wrote on Mon, 30 July 2012 11:30

I thought cropping of ears was now illegal? Don't think I could have it done to a dog.

It is here, not sure about OS.


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Re: THIS is an American Bulldog [message #2712684 is a reply to message #2712666 ] Mon, 30 July 2012 11:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  djrayment  
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Holted wrote on Mon, 30 July 2012 11:30

I thought cropping of ears was now illegal? Don't think I could have it done to a dog.


Pretty sure that pic is from the States and they can pretty much do as they please (though how anyone finds that pleasing to look at is a totally different conversation... cruel twisted farkers Dead Sad Twisted Evil ).


I vote we ban farkwits... if you fit the criteria you are sterilised free of charge and not allowed out in public unsupervised - if found unaccompanied in public, we'll lock you up and bump you off after 8 days if you remain unclaimed Cool
Re: THIS is an American Bulldog [message #2712694 is a reply to message #2712680 ] Mon, 30 July 2012 11:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Emma wrote on Mon, 30 July 2012 11:39

Holted wrote on Mon, 30 July 2012 11:30

I thought cropping of ears was now illegal? Don't think I could have it done to a dog.

It is here, not sure about OS.

yes its always been illegal here.....but its not in the states
Re: THIS is an American Bulldog [message #2712720 is a reply to message #2711344 ] Mon, 30 July 2012 12:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  bayview  
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Out of my way, I am in the midst of a hoo haa monologue
there are many many dogs that have been PTS under BSL... Not just here, but in other countries... Wicca & Lennox have received a large amount of publicity....
Wicca was PTS last week after the shelter refused and was then threatened:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Save-Wicca/450404848326080

Lennox was a week or two before Confused


All of the dogs on this list are either banned or there are restrictions on owning them *somewhere* in the United States.


1. AIREDALE TERRIER
2. AKBASH
3. AKITA
4. ALAPAHA BLUE BLOOD BULLDOG
5. ALASKAN MALAMUTE
6. ALSATIAN SHEPHERD
7. AMERICAN BULLDOG
8. AMERICAN HUSKY
9. AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER
10. AMERICAN STAFFORDSHIRE TERRIER
11. AMERICAN WOLFDOG
12. ANATOLIAN SHEPHERD
13. ARIKARA DOG
14. AUSTRALIAN CATTLE DOG
15. AUSTRALIAN SHEPHERD
16. BELGIAN MALINOIS
17. BELGIAN SHEEPDOG
18. BELGIAN TURVUREN
19. BLUE HEELER
20. BOERBOL
21. BORZOI
22. BOSTON TERRIER
23. BOUVIER DES FLANDRES
24. BOXER
25. BULLDOG
26. BULL TERRIER
27. BULL MASTIFF
28. CANE CORSO
29. CATAHOULA LEOPARD DOG
30. CAUCASIAN SHEPHERD
31. CHINESE SHAR PEI
32. CHOW-CHOW
33. COLORADO DOG
34. DOBERMAN PINSCHER
35. DOGO DE ARGENTINO
36. DOGUE DE BORDEAUX
37. ENGLISH MASTIFFS
38. ENGLISH SPRINGER SPANIEL
39. ESKIMO DOG
40. ESTRELA MOUNTAIN DOG
41. FILA BRASILIERO
42. FOX TERRIER
43. FRENCH BULLDOG
44. GERMAN SHEPHERD DOG
45. GOLDEN RETRIEVER
46. GREENLAND HUSKY
47. GREAT DANE
48. GREAT PYRANEES
49. ITALIAN MASTIFF
50. KANGAL DOG
51. KEESHOND
52. KOMONDOR
53. KOTEZEBUE HUSKY
54. KUVAZ
55. LABRADOR RETRIEVER
56. LEONBERGER
57. MASTIFF
58. NEOPOLITAN MASTIFF
59. NEWFOUNDLAND
60. OTTERHOUND
61. PRESA DE CANARIO
62. PRESA DE MALLORQUIN
63. PUG
64. ROTTWEILER
65. SAARLOOS WOLFHOND
66. SAINT BERNARD
67. SAMOYED
68. SCOTTISH DEERHOUND
69. SIBERIAN HUSKY
70. SPANISH MASTIFF
71. STAFFORDSHIRE BULL TERRIER
72. TIMBER SHEPHERD
73. TOSA INU
74. TUNDRA SHEPHERD
75. WOLF SPITZ


http://www.dogguide.net/blog/2008/07/bsl-shocker-a-list-of-7 5-dogs-that-are-banned-or-restricted/



ETA - perhaps it should be compulsory to have a certain level of dog socialisation to have the dog registered.... It always seems that it is the socialisation that is the issue, not the breed...

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Re: THIS is an American Bulldog [message #2712725 is a reply to message #2711344 ] Mon, 30 July 2012 12:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  djrayment  
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Holted - my point is that AmStafs ARE 'pitbull types', despite how many people would love to convince us otherwise and banning a breed has never solved problems anywhere in the world so I can't see how anyone thinks it will magically work now just because the dog was 'DNA'd' as having 'pitbull blood' - lots of people would describe their pitbulls exactly as you have described your friends AmStaf, just because they are pitbulls doesn't make them somehow more or less 'evil' than any other dog...

Think of the circumstances surrounding Ayen Chol's death and pretty much every other widely publicised dog attack (most of which weren't perpetrated by pitbulls BTW)... would any of them have happened if the owners had socialised, trained and most importantly confined their dogs? The issue here isn't that certain breeds are not fit to live in society 'en masse', it's that people don't put the time and effort into choosing appropriate breeds for what they want the dog to do and actually being a responsible owner.

Molosser and pitbull type dogs have traits that are HIGHLY suited to certain jobs and sometimes those traits come at a trade off for others that we might think are ideal in pet dogs... I know if I was injured somewhere on the side of a mountain that the dog I'd want looking for me would be people-orientated, athletic, tenacious and by nature, resistent to aversives and delays in reward (because in all likelihood it's going to be hard going finding me and could take days or weeks...) and TBH I couldn't care less if it doesn't get along with other dogs all that well and comes from a lineage that has been used for dog fighting, as it'll have no bearing on what I need at the time - 'pitbull types' fit that bill really well so lots of people that work in SARS and associated fields, or 'play' in tracking, endurance and similar fields prefer that type of dog because it suits their needs.
They have just as much right to choose a dog that suits them as I do to choose my smart, switched on and kinda high-strung working breeds, or as anyone does that wants a chilled out (hard to motivate), friendly little dog that can go visiting and sit around at cafes being the centre of attention - and so long as we all manage our dogs with respect for their individual needs and don't pose a threat to anyone else, I can't see any reason to arbitrarily ban certain breeds because someone doesn't like the look of them or thinks they look scary...

Re: THIS is an American Bulldog [message #2712775 is a reply to message #2711344 ] Mon, 30 July 2012 13:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  zam zam  
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Seriously!!! a Pug. Laughing
Sure ban them due to genetic defects but BSL phark moi!!!


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Re: THIS is an American Bulldog [message #2712779 is a reply to message #2712725 ] Mon, 30 July 2012 13:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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djrayment wrote on Mon, 30 July 2012 12:17

Holted - my point is that AmStafs ARE 'pitbull types', despite how many people would love to convince us otherwise and banning a breed has never solved problems anywhere in the world so I can't see how anyone thinks it will magically work now just because the dog was 'DNA'd' as having 'pitbull blood' - lots of people would describe their pitbulls exactly as you have described your friends AmStaf, just because they are pitbulls doesn't make them somehow more or less 'evil' than any other dog...

Think of the circumstances surrounding Ayen Chol's death and pretty much every other widely publicised dog attack (most of which weren't perpetrated by pitbulls BTW)... would any of them have happened if the owners had socialised, trained and most importantly confined their dogs? The issue here isn't that certain breeds are not fit to live in society 'en masse', it's that people don't put the time and effort into choosing appropriate breeds for what they want the dog to do and actually being a responsible owner.

Molosser and pitbull type dogs have traits that are HIGHLY suited to certain jobs and sometimes those traits come at a trade off for others that we might think are ideal in pet dogs... I know if I was injured somewhere on the side of a mountain that the dog I'd want looking for me would be people-orientated, athletic, tenacious and by nature, resistent to aversives and delays in reward (because in all likelihood it's going to be hard going finding me and could take days or weeks...) and TBH I couldn't care less if it doesn't get along with other dogs all that well and comes from a lineage that has been used for dog fighting, as it'll have no bearing on what I need at the time - 'pitbull types' fit that bill really well so lots of people that work in SARS and associated fields, or 'play' in tracking, endurance and similar fields prefer that type of dog because it suits their needs.
They have just as much right to choose a dog that suits them as I do to choose my smart, switched on and kinda high-strung working breeds, or as anyone does that wants a chilled out (hard to motivate), friendly little dog that can go visiting and sit around at cafes being the centre of attention - and so long as we all manage our dogs with respect for their individual needs and don't pose a threat to anyone else, I can't see any reason to arbitrarily ban certain breeds because someone doesn't like the look of them or thinks they look scary...




Sorry I don't believe that statement to be totally correct, the current laws in Aus 'may' be interpreted that way at the moment but it is highly unlikely to be. Unlike American Pitbulls and American Bulldogs, AmStaff's ARE a recognised ANKC breed so if you have a reg'd AmStaff with Pedigree papers, while it might 'look' like a pit bull type, it's actually not and is not applicable to the BSL to my knowledge. However I can see how BYB or non reg'd AmStaffs could be interpreted to be of pit bull type, as there is no way to prove that they aren't, DNA or otherwise. Hence why I said earlier why would someone risk purchasing a breed that may be interpreted as a pit bull type if they couldn't prove 100% by producing reg'd breed and pedigree papers.

Don't get me wrong I think BSL is a total crock but if there is a compromise and it does stay there needs me much clearer and more specific requirements.


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Re: THIS is an American Bulldog [message #2712783 is a reply to message #2711344 ] Mon, 30 July 2012 13:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think in the situation of the BSL that has recently been applied in Victoria it is worth remembering this one pertinent fact- A LITTLE GIRL DIED.

I am not a proponent of BSL in the slightest and I think the legislation will be revoked over time as it is realised that it straight out won't work. However, I think there is a lot of selfishness in the way many regard what happened to Ayen Chol. People analysing it as if the way they could potentially be affected is somehow worse than the way Ayen Chol's family has been affected, the fact that the four year old girl lost her life.

A lot of people who own potentially dangerous dog breeds don't really seem to understand that they do not have the right to own a dangerous dog. Young guys get bully breeds in order to look tough, bogans get huge scary dogs and keep them chained up in their backyards until the poor dog goes crazy, what none of these people seem to realise is that you don't have the right to have a dog that savages someone. Even an intruder on your property, if your dog mauls that person, you are legally responsible and will be held accountable.

I don't think BSL is the way to go, I believe in punishing the deed not the breed, but I seriously think some accountability is needed, maybe licensing to own particular breeds, or hell, ANY breed! Getting huffy and defensive when people question the reasoning behind buying certain dogs isn't going to help one bit.
Re: THIS is an American Bulldog [message #2712802 is a reply to message #2712779 ] Mon, 30 July 2012 13:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Holted wrote on Mon, 30 July 2012 13:31

djrayment wrote on Mon, 30 July 2012 12:17

Holted - my point is that AmStafs ARE 'pitbull types', despite how many people would love to convince us otherwise and banning a breed has never solved problems anywhere in the world so I can't see how anyone thinks it will magically work now just because the dog was 'DNA'd' as having 'pitbull blood' - lots of people would describe their pitbulls exactly as you have described your friends AmStaf, just because they are pitbulls doesn't make them somehow more or less 'evil' than any other dog...

Think of the circumstances surrounding Ayen Chol's death and pretty much every other widely publicised dog attack (most of which weren't perpetrated by pitbulls BTW)... would any of them have happened if the owners had socialised, trained and most importantly confined their dogs? The issue here isn't that certain breeds are not fit to live in society 'en masse', it's that people don't put the time and effort into choosing appropriate breeds for what they want the dog to do and actually being a responsible owner.

Molosser and pitbull type dogs have traits that are HIGHLY suited to certain jobs and sometimes those traits come at a trade off for others that we might think are ideal in pet dogs... I know if I was injured somewhere on the side of a mountain that the dog I'd want looking for me would be people-orientated, athletic, tenacious and by nature, resistent to aversives and delays in reward (because in all likelihood it's going to be hard going finding me and could take days or weeks...) and TBH I couldn't care less if it doesn't get along with other dogs all that well and comes from a lineage that has been used for dog fighting, as it'll have no bearing on what I need at the time - 'pitbull types' fit that bill really well so lots of people that work in SARS and associated fields, or 'play' in tracking, endurance and similar fields prefer that type of dog because it suits their needs.
They have just as much right to choose a dog that suits them as I do to choose my smart, switched on and kinda high-strung working breeds, or as anyone does that wants a chilled out (hard to motivate), friendly little dog that can go visiting and sit around at cafes being the centre of attention - and so long as we all manage our dogs with respect for their individual needs and don't pose a threat to anyone else, I can't see any reason to arbitrarily ban certain breeds because someone doesn't like the look of them or thinks they look scary...




Sorry I don't believe that statement to be totally correct, the current laws in Aus 'may' be interpreted that way at the moment but it is highly unlikely to be. Unlike American Pitbulls and American Bulldogs, AmStaff's ARE a recognised ANKC breed so if you have a reg'd AmStaff with Pedigree papers, while it might 'look' like a pit bull type, it's actually not and is not applicable to the BSL to my knowledge. However I can see how BYB or non reg'd AmStaffs could be interpreted to be of pit bull type, as there is no way to prove that they aren't, DNA or otherwise. Hence why I said earlier why would someone risk purchasing a breed that may be interpreted as a pit bull type if they couldn't prove 100% by producing reg'd breed and pedigree papers.

Don't get me wrong I think BSL is a total crock but if there is a compromise and it does stay there needs me much clearer and more specific requirements.



Lee Am Staffs are very much Pit Bulls. They were bred down different lines for a different 'look'.

Yes they are now considered a seperate breed and if you have one I'd be sh1tting bricks if it wasn't registered.

I was walking my dog through the park a while ago when a council worker walked past and said "I hope you have papers for that". Its a staffy and if their the ones making the call on whats a pit bull type then we are all screwed.


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Re: THIS is an American Bulldog [message #2712803 is a reply to message #2712783 ] Mon, 30 July 2012 13:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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madsyoudork wrote on Mon, 30 July 2012 13:36

I think in the situation of the BSL that has recently been applied in Victoria it is worth remembering this one pertinent fact- A LITTLE GIRL DIED.

I am not a proponent of BSL in the slightest and I think the legislation will be revoked over time as it is realised that it straight out won't work. However, I think there is a lot of selfishness in the way many regard what happened to Ayen Chol. People analysing it as if the way they could potentially be affected is somehow worse than the way Ayen Chol's family has been affected, the fact that the four year old girl lost her life.

A lot of people who own potentially dangerous dog breeds don't really seem to understand that they do not have the right to own a dangerous dog. Young guys get bully breeds in order to look tough, bogans get huge scary dogs and keep them chained up in their backyards until the poor dog goes crazy, what none of these people seem to realise is that you don't have the right to have a dog that savages someone. Even an intruder on your property, if your dog mauls that person, you are legally responsible and will be held accountable.

I don't think BSL is the way to go, I believe in punishing the deed not the breed, but I seriously think some accountability is needed, maybe licensing to own particular breeds, or hell, ANY breed! Getting huffy and defensive when people question the reasoning behind buying certain dogs isn't going to help one bit.


Again, not exactly true in the case of an intruder (trespass), criminally speaking. Civil suit may be a different story but the chances of success are remote.


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Re: THIS is an American Bulldog [message #2712817 is a reply to message #2712802 ] Mon, 30 July 2012 14:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Arnie wrote on Mon, 30 July 2012 13:52

Holted wrote on Mon, 30 July 2012 13:31

djrayment wrote on Mon, 30 July 2012 12:17

Holted - my point is that AmStafs ARE 'pitbull types', despite how many people would love to convince us otherwise and banning a breed has never solved problems anywhere in the world so I can't see how anyone thinks it will magically work now just because the dog was 'DNA'd' as having 'pitbull blood' - lots of people would describe their pitbulls exactly as you have described your friends AmStaf, just because they are pitbulls doesn't make them somehow more or less 'evil' than any other dog...

Think of the circumstances surrounding Ayen Chol's death and pretty much every other widely publicised dog attack (most of which weren't perpetrated by pitbulls BTW)... would any of them have happened if the owners had socialised, trained and most importantly confined their dogs? The issue here isn't that certain breeds are not fit to live in society 'en masse', it's that people don't put the time and effort into choosing appropriate breeds for what they want the dog to do and actually being a responsible owner.

Molosser and pitbull type dogs have traits that are HIGHLY suited to certain jobs and sometimes those traits come at a trade off for others that we might think are ideal in pet dogs... I know if I was injured somewhere on the side of a mountain that the dog I'd want looking for me would be people-orientated, athletic, tenacious and by nature, resistent to aversives and delays in reward (because in all likelihood it's going to be hard going finding me and could take days or weeks...) and TBH I couldn't care less if it doesn't get along with other dogs all that well and comes from a lineage that has been used for dog fighting, as it'll have no bearing on what I need at the time - 'pitbull types' fit that bill really well so lots of people that work in SARS and associated fields, or 'play' in tracking, endurance and similar fields prefer that type of dog because it suits their needs.
They have just as much right to choose a dog that suits them as I do to choose my smart, switched on and kinda high-strung working breeds, or as anyone does that wants a chilled out (hard to motivate), friendly little dog that can go visiting and sit around at cafes being the centre of attention - and so long as we all manage our dogs with respect for their individual needs and don't pose a threat to anyone else, I can't see any reason to arbitrarily ban certain breeds because someone doesn't like the look of them or thinks they look scary...




Sorry I don't believe that statement to be totally correct, the current laws in Aus 'may' be interpreted that way at the moment but it is highly unlikely to be. Unlike American Pitbulls and American Bulldogs, AmStaff's ARE a recognised ANKC breed so if you have a reg'd AmStaff with Pedigree papers, while it might 'look' like a pit bull type, it's actually not and is not applicable to the BSL to my knowledge. However I can see how BYB or non reg'd AmStaffs could be interpreted to be of pit bull type, as there is no way to prove that they aren't, DNA or otherwise. Hence why I said earlier why would someone risk purchasing a breed that may be interpreted as a pit bull type if they couldn't prove 100% by producing reg'd breed and pedigree papers.

Don't get me wrong I think BSL is a total crock but if there is a compromise and it does stay there needs me much clearer and more specific requirements.



Lee Am Staffs are very much Pit Bulls. They were bred down different lines for a different 'look'.
But I am pretty sure they don't fall under current BSL because they are now a separate breed to the pitbull here in Aus. I'm only talking about ones with papers.

Yes they are now considered a seperate breed and if you have one I'd be sh1tting bricks if it wasn't registered.
Absolutely. Luckily I don't have one, and gf's one is reg'd with papers and has been socialised and obedience trained.

I was walking my dog through the park a while ago when a council worker walked past and said "I hope you have papers for that". Its a staffy and if their the ones making the call on whats a pit bull type then we are all screwed.
Again I agree, some Council officers wouldn't know what breed a dog was if it slapped them in the face. Basically if it has a big head and they are scared of it and it doesn't have papers, then it must be a pit bull type and can be considered as such under the BSL Sad



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Re: THIS is an American Bulldog [message #2712841 is a reply to message #2711344 ] Mon, 30 July 2012 17:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This is what I think, and I may be wrong, but I can see a time in the not too distant future where dogs will be banned. The anti dog lobby just keeps getting stronger. When I was a kid, you could take a dog just about anywhere. Now there are bans at beaches, bans in parks, bans in retail areas (not in shopping complexes, just retail streets) and recently some bright spark at Frankston council come up with an amazing statistic. Most dog bites occur in off leash areas! Wow. Who would have thunk it. So it won't be long before they ban off leash areas too. With ever diminishing social opportunities, behavioural problems will continue to increase and them it will be all over red rover.
Re: THIS is an American Bulldog [message #2713057 is a reply to message #2711344 ] Mon, 30 July 2012 21:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Some of you may be interested in this article :-

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html

Only one of the dogs in these pictures is an American Pitbull.....it took me a few guesses before I got it right!


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Tillysmum wrote on Mon, 30 July 2012 21:42



Some of you may be interested in this article :-

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html

Only one of the dogs in these pictures is an American Pitbull.....it took me a few guesses before I got it right!





Gee that was hard! It took me a couple of guesses..
Re: THIS is an American Bulldog [message #2714237 is a reply to message #2711344 ] Thu, 02 August 2012 01:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Naww the pup is so beautiful! Just love him!!

I didn't read all the comments, I did see "pit-bull"
Mentioned.

I have a 12 month old purebred red nose pitty.
Inported parents. My girl was the last in Victoria
That was able to be registered.
Although both her parents have been PTS.
She's the most beautiful girl.
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zam zam wrote on Mon, 30 July 2012 13:28

Seriously!!! a Pug. Laughing
Sure ban them due to genetic defects but BSL phark moi!!!


I want to know how Chihuahuas didn't make the list?


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Equivarna wrote on Thu, 02 August 2012 06:11

zam zam wrote on Mon, 30 July 2012 13:28

Seriously!!! a Pug. Laughing
Sure ban them due to genetic defects but BSL phark moi!!!


I want to know how Chihuahuas didn't make the list?


Chihuahuas would be right at the top of my list. Laughing One tried to rip my finger off on Monday! Laughing

But it is unfortunate little dogs get away with so much because they're small and cute, even tho the intent is exactly the same, they dont cause much damage so it's okay?!
Im probably going to get crucified for this BUT..I believe ANY dog that aggressively bites/menaces someone regardless of breed/size should be euthanized. No questions. I don't care how 'small and cute' it is!
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Equivarna wrote on Thu, 02 August 2012 06:11

zam zam wrote on Mon, 30 July 2012 13:28

Seriously!!! a Pug. Laughing
Sure ban them due to genetic defects but BSL phark moi!!!


I want to know how Chihuahuas didn't make the list?

Me too! They are such grumpy, snappy little turds Laughing


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kristy25 wrote on Thu, 02 August 2012 08:42

Equivarna wrote on Thu, 02 August 2012 06:11

zam zam wrote on Mon, 30 July 2012 13:28

Seriously!!! a Pug. Laughing
Sure ban them due to genetic defects but BSL phark moi!!!


I want to know how Chihuahuas didn't make the list?

Me too! They are such grumpy, snappy little turds Laughing
They probably top the list of most aggressive rodent. Smile
Re: THIS is an American Bulldog [message #2714314 is a reply to message #2714308 ] Thu, 02 August 2012 08:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Glenda wrote on Thu, 02 August 2012 08:42

My 27 year old son still bears the scar on his face inflicted by a Yorkshire terrier when he was 18 months old, the neighbours dog just came out of nowhere and flew at my son's face whilst I was holding his hand we were standing in our driveway seeing visitors off. He was lucky he didn't lose his eye.

This is what people forget isn't it - the relative size difference between a terrier and a small child is much the same as between my Rott and I and little dogs don't normally get the same training and socialisation as big dogs...

On a weird side note, I'm pretty sure the pug reference was due to one suffocating a child (if it's the same thing I am thinking of)... what's even weirder is the number of CATS that accidentally kill people, usually small children, by either sleeping on their chest or their face... (the weird things you find out when researching bite stats Surprised Laughing )

Australia's hospital 'dog attack' stats also include things like broken fingers because a lead was held wrong and the dog lunged for some reason... (I know someone that was recorded as a 'dog attack victim' in that exact scenario so I looked into it and sure enough, if you actually look into reports they specify that they include 'all dog induced injuries' requiring hospital attention Confused ).
Re: THIS is an American Bulldog [message #2714348 is a reply to message #2714314 ] Thu, 02 August 2012 09:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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djrayment wrote on Thu, 02 August 2012 08:54

Glenda wrote on Thu, 02 August 2012 08:42

My 27 year old son still bears the scar on his face inflicted by a Yorkshire terrier when he was 18 months old, the neighbours dog just came out of nowhere and flew at my son's face whilst I was holding his hand we were standing in our driveway seeing visitors off. He was lucky he didn't lose his eye.

This is what people forget isn't it - the relative size difference between a terrier and a small child is much the same as between my Rott and I and little dogs don't normally get the same training and socialisation as big dogs...

On a weird side note, I'm pretty sure the pug reference was due to one suffocating a child (if it's the same thing I am thinking of)... what's even weirder is the number of CATS that accidentally kill people, usually small children, by either sleeping on their chest or their face... (the weird things you find out when researching bite stats Surprised Laughing )

Australia's hospital 'dog attack' stats also include things like broken fingers because a lead was held wrong and the dog lunged for some reason... (I know someone that was recorded as a 'dog attack victim' in that exact scenario so I looked into it and sure enough, if you actually look into reports they specify that they include 'all dog induced injuries' requiring hospital attention Confused ).

And both my sons grew up surrounded by rotties both at home and at dog shows and not one incident ever.
Re: THIS is an American Bulldog [message #2714394 is a reply to message #2714348 ] Thu, 02 August 2012 10:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Glenda wrote on Thu, 02 August 2012 09:30

djrayment wrote on Thu, 02 August 2012 08:54

Glenda wrote on Thu, 02 August 2012 08:42

My 27 year old son still bears the scar on his face inflicted by a Yorkshire terrier when he was 18 months old, the neighbours dog just came out of nowhere and flew at my son's face whilst I was holding his hand we were standing in our driveway seeing visitors off. He was lucky he didn't lose his eye.

This is what people forget isn't it - the relative size difference between a terrier and a small child is much the same as between my Rott and I and little dogs don't normally get the same training and socialisation as big dogs...

On a weird side note, I'm pretty sure the pug reference was due to one suffocating a child (if it's the same thing I am thinking of)... what's even weirder is the number of CATS that accidentally kill people, usually small children, by either sleeping on their chest or their face... (the weird things you find out when researching bite stats Surprised Laughing )

Australia's hospital 'dog attack' stats also include things like broken fingers because a lead was held wrong and the dog lunged for some reason... (I know someone that was recorded as a 'dog attack victim' in that exact scenario so I looked into it and sure enough, if you actually look into reports they specify that they include 'all dog induced injuries' requiring hospital attention Confused ).

And both my sons grew up surrounded by rotties both at home and at dog shows and not one incident ever.


Probably because the dogs were well trained and the children weren't put in any sort of compromised position or left unattended Glenda. It's the people who can't handle their dogs, don't handle their dogs properly and allow unacceptable behaviour (or dismiss it) who put their dogs and people at risk - and thats regardless of the breed. I guess the point is that you can normally defend a child against smaller dogs but something like a pitbull or rotti if its intent is much harder to pull off a someone if its really having a go.

My mother used to help an old lady out across the road and peg washing out for her etc when she was sick. Her son's doberman lived there and it was never a problem until one day out of the blue Mum was pegging washing out and the dog just went for her - it knocked her to the ground and the bites up her legs, thighs and into her back were horrific. I forget how many stitches she needed but it was a lot. Who knows what happened. I guess if it was a maltese you could have kicked it off and up the ar$e, but they couldn't get the doberman off her ....... teeth in and shaking at the same time.

I am just wary of big dogs because i know if they really want to have a go there's not much I can do to get them off me.

And Scarlett I have to say ........ thats one ugly dog. I keep looking at it trying to find something nice or endearing about it, but I just can't Laughing Laughing Laughing


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Re: THIS is an American Bulldog [message #2714426 is a reply to message #2711344 ] Thu, 02 August 2012 11:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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and its to do with breeding....we bred for sound temperament as well as conformation.....bybers dont consider either of those things and thats when the problem starts, added to fact that many of these breeds end up in the wrong hands.....recipe for disaster.....but people who have these cuddly little dogs also often do their dogs a big disservice by treating them as human babies.....a dog is a dog, big or small and all should be treated as such, they have to be trained and know their place in the pecking order.....big or little,dogs should not be allowed on the furniture.... and definitely not on the bed, of course you can pick them up and put them on your knee but it always has to be at your invitation, not when it suits them..... they are a companion animal not a surrogate child, and you often find the nasty little dogs that bite are the ones that are treated as little human....
Re: THIS is an American Bulldog [message #2714468 is a reply to message #2714237 ] Thu, 02 August 2012 11:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Rabit wrote on Thu, 02 August 2012 01:44

Naww the pup is so beautiful! Just love him!!

I didn't read all the comments, I did see "pit-bull"
Mentioned.

I have a 12 month old purebred red nose pitty.
Inported parents. My girl was the last in Victoria
That was able to be registered.
Although both her parents have been PTS.
She's the most beautiful girl.



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Re: THIS is an American Bulldog [message #2714483 is a reply to message #2714468 ] Thu, 02 August 2012 12:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Rabit wrote on Thu, 02 August 2012 01:44

Naww the pup is so beautiful! Just love him!!

I didn't read all the comments, I did see "pit-bull"
Mentioned.

I have a 12 month old purebred red nose pitty.
Inported parents. My girl was the last in Victoria
That was able to be registered.
Although both her parents have been PTS.
She's the most beautiful girl.




Is it related to Tamara's ????


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Re: THIS is an American Bulldog [message #2714505 is a reply to message #2714237 ] Thu, 02 August 2012 12:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Rabit wrote on Thu, 02 August 2012 01:44

Naww the pup is so beautiful! Just love him!!

I didn't read all the comments, I did see "pit-bull"
Mentioned.

I have a 12 month old purebred red nose pitty.
Inported parents. My girl was the last in Victoria
That was able to be registered.
Although both her parents have been PTS
She's the most beautiful girl.



The phuck?? You serious? Confused Confused

Hoping like hell you have better sense and training with dogs than you do with horses, otherwise she won't be far off her parents' fate hopefully before she rips apart lives Sad

'Ken hell.

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Re: THIS is an American Bulldog [message #2714528 is a reply to message #2714505 ] Thu, 02 August 2012 13:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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kristy25 wrote on Thu, 02 August 2012 12:58

Rabit wrote on Thu, 02 August 2012 01:44

Naww the pup is so beautiful! Just love him!!

I didn't read all the comments, I did see "pit-bull"
Mentioned.

I have a 12 month old purebred red nose pitty.
Inported parents. My girl was the last in Victoria
That was able to be registered.
Although both her parents have been PTS
She's the most beautiful girl.



The phuck?? You serious? Confused Confused

Hoping like hell you have better sense and training with dogs than you do with horses, otherwise she won't be far off her parents' fate hopefully before she rips apart lives Sad

'Ken hell.

and why arent we surprised she has a pitty pup Rolls Eyes
Re: THIS is an American Bulldog [message #2714531 is a reply to message #2714528 ] Thu, 02 August 2012 13:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Glenda wrote on Thu, 02 August 2012 13:47

kristy25 wrote on Thu, 02 August 2012 12:58

Rabit wrote on Thu, 02 August 2012 01:44

Naww the pup is so beautiful! Just love him!!

I didn't read all the comments, I did see "pit-bull"
Mentioned.

I have a 12 month old purebred red nose pitty.
Inported parents. My girl was the last in Victoria
That was able to be registered.
Although both her parents have been PTS
She's the most beautiful girl.



The phuck?? You serious? Confused Confused

Hoping like hell you have better sense and training with dogs than you do with horses, otherwise she won't be far off her parents' fate hopefully before she rips apart lives Sad

'Ken hell.

and why arent we surprised she has a pitty pup Rolls Eyes this demonstrates my post about owners

Re: THIS is an American Bulldog [message #2714543 is a reply to message #2714505 ] Thu, 02 August 2012 14:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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kristy25 wrote on Thu, 02 August 2012 12:58

Rabit wrote on Thu, 02 August 2012 01:44

Naww the pup is so beautiful! Just love him!!

I didn't read all the comments, I did see "pit-bull"
Mentioned.

I have a 12 month old purebred red nose pitty.
Inported parents. My girl was the last in Victoria
That was able to be registered.
Although both her parents have been PTS
She's the most beautiful girl.



The phuck?? You serious? Confused Confused

Hoping like hell you have better sense and training with dogs than you do with horses, otherwise she won't be far off her parents' fate hopefully before she rips apart lives Sad

'Ken hell.


It is also very concerning that Rabit has announced that she is pregnant Confused
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Poppett wrote on Thu, 02 August 2012 14:09

kristy25 wrote on Thu, 02 August 2012 12:58

Rabit wrote on Thu, 02 August 2012 01:44

Naww the pup is so beautiful! Just love him!!

I didn't read all the comments, I did see "pit-bull"
Mentioned.

I have a 12 month old purebred red nose pitty.
Inported parents. My girl was the last in Victoria
That was able to be registered.
Although both her parents have been PTS
She's the most beautiful girl.



The phuck?? You serious? Confused Confused

Hoping like hell you have better sense and training with dogs than you do with horses, otherwise she won't be far off her parents' fate hopefully before she rips apart lives Sad

'Ken hell.


It is also very concerning that Rabit has announced that she is pregnant Confused




And how the FARK is that any of your business??


There has been no mention of WHY the parents were PTS - it's just assumed that because it was a Pit Bull and it was PTS it did something wrong...




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Re: THIS is an American Bulldog [message #2714553 is a reply to message #2714528 ] Thu, 02 August 2012 14:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Glenda wrote on Thu, 02 August 2012 13:47

kristy25 wrote on Thu, 02 August 2012 12:58

Rabit wrote on Thu, 02 August 2012 01:44

Naww the pup is so beautiful! Just love him!!

I didn't read all the comments, I did see "pit-bull"
Mentioned.

I have a 12 month old purebred red nose pitty.
Inported parents. My girl was the last in Victoria
That was able to be registered.
Although both her parents have been PTS
She's the most beautiful girl.



The phuck?? You serious? Confused Confused

Hoping like hell you have better sense and training with dogs than you do with horses, otherwise she won't be far off her parents' fate hopefully before she rips apart lives Sad

'Ken hell.

and why arent we surprised she has a pitty pup Rolls Eyes

But it's not just any pitty pup Glennie, it's a tru-blu 'red-nosed' pitty pup ('cause don'cha know that all purebreds have red noses???)

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Re: THIS is an American Bulldog [message #2714556 is a reply to message #2714551 ] Thu, 02 August 2012 14:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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bayview wrote on Thu, 02 August 2012 14:18



There has been no mention of WHY the parents were PTS - it's just assumed that because it was a Pit Bull and it was PTS it did something wrong...






Or... and hold on to your seat because this is obviously going to come as a surprise - because the OWNERS did something wrong?!?!?!

Even if they were PTS'd under BSL, it would only have happened if the dogs weren't registered and managed according to legal requirements - so, either the DOGS did something wrong, or the owners were irresponsbile farkwits that shirked the law and their dogs paid the price - either way, just goes to prove the point that fark-knuckles are attracted to this breed among others Rolls Eyes


ETA Did she announse on here that she's preggers? If so, she made it everyone's business by doing so, so don't get your knickers in a twist Bayview Confused

[Updated on: Thu, 02 August 2012 14:29]

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djrayment wrote on Thu, 02 August 2012 14:27

bayview wrote on Thu, 02 August 2012 14:18



There has been no mention of WHY the parents were PTS - it's just assumed that because it was a Pit Bull and it was PTS it did something wrong...






Or... and hold on to your seat because this is obviously going to come as a surprise - because the OWNERS did something wrong?!?!?!

Even if they were PTS'd under BSL, it would only have happened if the dogs weren't registered and managed according to legal requirements - so, either the DOGS did something wrong, or the owners were irresponsbile farkwits that shirked the law and their dogs paid the price - either way, just goes to prove the point that fark-knuckles are attracted to this breed among others Rolls Eyes


ETA Did she announse on here that she's preggers? If so, she made it everyone's business by doing so, so don't get your knickers in a twist Bayview Confused

I dont need to post anything...you take the words right out of my mouth DJ
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Re: THIS is an American Bulldog [message #2714578 is a reply to message #2711344 ] Thu, 02 August 2012 15:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ahhh dog threads Laughing they're so civil.

I can and am going to assume that yes....the parents of Rabid's dog were all the picture of grace...
And I can't say that I'm not already saddened at the thought of what her no doubt 'wonderful Pitbull' Confused will be like around her future baby.

Why...Do these 'types' Rolls Eyes of dogs always attract owners like that Sad ???


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kristy25 wrote on Thu, 02 August 2012 15:04

Ahhh dog threads Laughing they're so civil.

I can and am going to assume that yes....the parents of Rabid's dog were all the picture of grace...
And I can't say that I'm not already saddened at the thought of what her no doubt 'wonderful Pitbull' Confused will be like around her future baby.

Why...Do these 'types' Rolls Eyes of dogs always attract owners like that Sad ???

Because bogans are a little like neanderthals, and want a dog that will hunt and gather with them, and preferably rip apart small animals for their amusement. Smile
Once a breed has been boganed, it's almost impossible to escape the inevitable besmirching that follows.
Unfortunately, our Rabid friend is busily further tarnishing this particular breeds' already battered reputation.
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There seem to be a lot of 'bogan' type dogs around here. Sad thing is i was talking to a dog trainer and behaviourist last night who doesn't work as that here because people aren't prepared to pay (although they will phone to pick her brains Rolls Eyes ) which is sad for the dogs Sad
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megs wrote on Thu, 02 August 2012 15:41

There seem to be a lot of 'bogan' type dogs around here. Sad thing is i was talking to a dog trainer and behaviourist last night who doesn't work as that here because people aren't prepared to pay (although they will phone to pick her brains Rolls Eyes ) which is sad for the dogs Sad




And there's a new litter just arrived - bred by none other then my fave bogan Rolls Eyes Which of course it was all about the $$$$ Never mind that the bitch shows aggression to other dogs on several occasions.... It is pure after all...



As for my above comment - I don't venture into the expectant mums thread, and I honestly hadn't expected Rabit to post it here, so I apologise....


But I stand by the comment that we cannot make any judgements on what was the reason for the parents to be PTS.... It could be because the owners were twats and failed to comply with BSL....It could be as simple as the owner having to move and not be able to take the dogs, and rather then allowing their dogs get passed from home to home, they PTS....

But it is unfair to assume that they were PTS simply because they are Pit bulls and had 'ripped lives apart'....


And as for pit bulls and children - before the idjit bogan's started giving them a bad rep, they were America's 'Nanny Dog'.... Confused


I don't care what breed of dog it is - little rat dog, working dog or a Mop dog... every dog deserves to be treated AS a dog, and respected... But also well trained so that they know the boundaries too - regardless of breed....

And perhaps compulsory desexing for non breeding animals....


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bayview wrote on Thu, 02 August 2012 17:21

And there's a new litter just arrived - bred by none other then my fave bogan Rolls Eyes Which of course it was all about the $$$$ Never mind that the bitch shows aggression to other dogs on several occasions.... It is pure after all...



As for my above comment - I don't venture into the expectant mums thread, and I honestly hadn't expected Rabit to post it here, so I apologise....


But I stand by the comment that we cannot make any judgements on what was the reason for the parents to be PTS.... It could be because the owners were twats and failed to comply with BSL....It could be as simple as the owner having to move and not be able to take the dogs, and rather then allowing their dogs get passed from home to home, they PTS....

But it is unfair to assume that they were PTS simply because they are Pit bulls and had 'ripped lives apart'....


And as for pit bulls and children - before the idjit bogan's started giving them a bad rep, they were America's 'Nanny Dog'.... Confused

I don't care what breed of dog it is - little rat dog, working dog or a Mop dog... every dog deserves to be treated AS a dog, and respected... But also well trained so that they know the boundaries too - regardless of breed....

And perhaps compulsory desexing for non breeding animals....

Did you read the rest of this thread before posting? I am so sick of people pulling out the 'pitbulls are great with kids because they used to be called nanny dogs' line - have a look at the living conditions and breeding of those dogs compared to what they have to put up with now... hardly a comparable situation Confused

I think if you go back and read Kristy's comment she was actually referring to Rabid's inability to train any animal (and therefore complete stupidity in obtaining one that actually requires intensive training and socialisation) - nothing to do with pup's parents...
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