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Conformation [message #2886594] Tue, 19 March 2013 13:35 Go to next message
  chrispix  is currently offline chrispix  
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To build strength I am riding him regularly, for short periods of time & encourage him to go long and low.

what specific exercises would you suggest to build muscle & strength gradually.

[Updated on: Wed, 05 June 2013 13:21]

Re: Croup high vs sway back [message #2886602 is a reply to message #2886594 ] Tue, 19 March 2013 13:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  Stockhorse  
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You need to put a better photo up with no gate and standing on level ground with weight distributed equally and horse straight for anyone to be able to assess him. Smile
Conformation [message #2886619 is a reply to message #2886594 ] Tue, 19 March 2013 13:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ok sure Smile I'll take a better one and post again

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Re: Croup high vs sway back [message #2886623 is a reply to message #2886594 ] Tue, 19 March 2013 14:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yep, photo standing square on level ground Very Happy


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Re: Croup high vs sway back [message #2886718 is a reply to message #2886623 ] Tue, 19 March 2013 15:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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As others have said better photo.

I don't think he is sway backed.

I am so lucky, both my current horses are/were croup high. Rolls Eyes

They are both 6 now and I think they have levelled off. I need a really flat place to stand them so I can be sure. Even the concrete I have at home has a slope.

Saddle fit will change as he matures and changes in muscles happen, so get him checked again. Some people say every 6 months. He has a wither so the saddle shouldn't go up over his shoulders.

In regard to his work. How does he prefer naturally to travel? Long and low or high head, hollow?
One of mine preferred low and the other went high. So the low horse was made to work high and the high horse was made to work low.
They are/were both on the forehand even the high headed horse. That's one of the disadvantages of croup high.
BUT George Sanna (high level show jump rider) didn't mind croup high as the horse could usually jump. Smile


I have a high horse that I regularly get on.

Conformation [message #2887739 is a reply to message #2886594 ] Wed, 20 March 2013 20:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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He naturally seems to hollow himself and and carry his head high. Are trotting poles the best to get him to stretch and build muscle?

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Re: Croup high vs sway back [message #2887786 is a reply to message #2887739 ] Wed, 20 March 2013 21:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Troppo. Loco. Round the twist.
I am going to say Sway back. Saddle fit could be difficult.
Exercises to do would be tummy lifts, and trot poles on the lunge.
Chiro can help you with tummy lifts and other exercises.
Melanie Quick/Ian Bidstrup would be a good chiro option.


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Re: Croup high vs sway back [message #2887821 is a reply to message #2886594 ] Wed, 20 March 2013 21:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Possible sacro problems? Possibly to do with the poor back conformation

Hunters Bump is quite prominent usually compensation for a sacro issue. Also looking camped out too

Conformation [message #2888276 is a reply to message #2886594 ] Thu, 21 March 2013 13:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks guys. Happy hacks found there was no problem Smile

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Re: Croup high vs sway back [message #2888279 is a reply to message #2887821 ] Thu, 21 March 2013 13:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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loubar wrote on Wed, 20 March 2013 21:52

Possible sacro problems? Possibly to do with the poor back conformation

Hunters Bump is quite prominent usually compensation for a sacro issue. Also looking camped out too





Yeah there seems to be some structural (conformation) and non-structural (possible injury) stuff going on here

Very weak in the topline, the stance to me screams "pain reaction" but this could be just how the photo is

The head up, hollow back, dropped stomach, camped out look would to me look like long term and fairly chronic pain response

I would definitely be getting a good therapist to check that back out

The posture of the spine (dipping, with the belly dropping) to me, could be an older injury, she has had to hold herself a certain way to be comfortable

I would agree with Lou, that I would guess a sacro issue for sure, and possibly a few other things going on as well

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Re: Croup high vs sway back [message #2889049 is a reply to message #2886594 ] Fri, 22 March 2013 00:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Is he an arabian warmblood gelding by any chance ?
Re: Croup high vs sway back [message #2889077 is a reply to message #2887739 ] Fri, 22 March 2013 07:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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chrispix wrote on Wed, 20 March 2013 20:26

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ok that should be a better pic. He naturally seems to hollow himself and and carry his head high. Are trotting poles the best to get him to stretch and build muscle?

Also I dont think I understand how to recognise the difference between a high croup and a sway back??

I dont see based on the pic how one can determine whether the horse is in pain.
The horse has an open stifle joint and has very little set in his hocks. The combination of open stifle and open hock joint angles lend itself to camped out conformation.
His neck is also set on well above the point of shoulder which will naturally give give him a high neck/head carriage.
The dip behind his whiter lends itself to a moderate sway back. he is alo croup high but not by much
Re: Croup high vs sway back [message #2889080 is a reply to message #2889077 ] Fri, 22 March 2013 07:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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FULLTHROTTLEDASH wrote on Fri, 22 March 2013 07:02

chrispix wrote on Wed, 20 March 2013 20:26

index.php?t=getfile&id=550732&private=0
ok that should be a better pic. He naturally seems to hollow himself and and carry his head high. Are trotting poles the best to get him to stretch and build muscle?

Also I dont think I understand how to recognise the difference between a high croup and a sway back??

I dont see based on the pic how one can determine whether the horse is in pain.
The horse has an open stifle joint and has very little set in his hocks. The combination of open stifle and open hock joint angles lend itself to camped out conformation.
His neck is also set on well above the point of shoulder which will naturally give give him a high neck/head carriage.
The dip behind his whiter lends itself to a moderate sway back. he is alo croup high but not by much




Own experience I guess

My paint mare stands like a startled gazelle much of the time..head way up, back hollow, back legs camped out (this is just normal paddock stance, relaxed)

She has fairly severe spinal issues...sacro, mild spinal arthritis is just the start

Just a general observation as this is a fairly "out there" standing shot...

Could be wrong though...who knows Laughing
Re: Croup high vs sway back [message #2889134 is a reply to message #2886594 ] Fri, 22 March 2013 09:21 Go to previous message
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This is a sway back. This is a structural sway, ie, his conformation is crap! He is croup high because of the angle of his pelvis and a flat wither.....13.3 at the wither and 14.1 at the croup.....so I just say 14hh. He's my pony and he's the most comfiest ride, 3 beautiful paces and can jump like he has springs in his legs.
As a riding horse.....he has false collection, as in he breaks at the poll because he physically can't get his hind legs engaged and stomach lifted as a "normally" conformed horse would. He is built downhill, not all sways are, but this means he will never have up hill movement and his transitions can be sloppy. Other than that, with correct saddle fitting he's a gun little pony!

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