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 Topic: WHITTLESEA PONY CLUB WINTER WOOLLIES
Re: WHITTLESEA PONY CLUB WINTER WOOLLIES [message #3280069 is a reply to message #3278038 ] Sat, 01 August 2015 10:28
  Eventing123  is currently offline Eventing123  
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Forum: Advertising - Commercial
 Topic: Feed Room Bins
Re: Feed Room Bins [message #3280057 is a reply to message #3186885 ] Sat, 01 August 2015 07:47
  ransom  is currently offline ransom  
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My Jack Russell Terrier caught two mice in my feed shed yesterday. Where there is two, there are always MORE. Luckily my feed is totally secure in these great bins.

Ensure your horse feed is safe from rodent contamination!

Grab these bins before the rodent population explodes!


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I'm Watching YOU!
 Topic: MAGIC BROWBANDS
Re: MAGIC BROWBANDS [message #3280074 is a reply to message #3037586 ] Sat, 01 August 2015 10:57
  magic moon  is currently offline magic moon  
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Razz Smile

Forum: Breeds
 Topic: Arabian Warmbloods
Re: Arabian Warmbloods [message #3280093 is a reply to message #2899372 ] Sat, 01 August 2015 12:17
  Steff_Stormy  
Messages: 10209
Registered: April 2008
Location: Elm Park ARC
Out of my way, I am in the midst of a hoo haa monologue

i haven't been on here for aggress, lovely horses as always everyone Smile

my boy has been quintet difficult lately, growing up and trying out tricks! new job means I've turned him out, but here is us a few weeks back



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Re: Arabian Warmbloods [message #3280131 is a reply to message #2899372 ] Sat, 01 August 2015 17:53
  ms tinapink  is currently offline ms tinapink  
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As per usual I am lurking in Breed threads that I don't belong in Uh Oh He looks beautiful Steff - nice to see you posting again Smile
Forum: Advertising - Noncommercial
 Topic: for sale circle Y western saddle
Re: for sale circle Y western saddle [message #3280058 is a reply to message #3280029 ] Sat, 01 August 2015 08:02
  atikah99  is currently offline atikah99  
Messages: 76
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bingochick2011 wrote on Fri, 31 July 2015 21:39

If you are on facebook there are pages for selling western gear join a couple and advertise it on those pages and you should have no trouble in selling the saddle. It looks lovely by the way and the price is very reasonable.


Thanks Cool


The worst of them sence our fears and take advantage of us.
The best of them sence our dreams and take us there ...
 Topic: Brown Bates Maestro dressage saddle - 17"
Re: Brown Bates Maestro dressage saddle - 17" [message #3280072 is a reply to message #3262996 ] Sat, 01 August 2015 10:43
  sthy  is currently offline sthy  
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Hi is this saddle sold?
 Topic: olive pony dressage pad
olive pony dressage pad [message #3280082] Sat, 01 August 2015 11:35
  regal-desire  is currently offline regal-desire  
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http://i60.tinypic.com/awt3zl.jpg

Too small for my horse.

Olive pony dressage saddle blanket with gold piping. Absolutely beautiful, onky tried on but my saddle is too big for it.

Asking $45 INCLUDING POST.

Please PM or email abbeyfab@gmail.com



 Topic: Equirail 100m kits - black
Equirail 100m kits - black [message #3280106] Sat, 01 August 2015 15:24
  iluvandrusha  
Messages: 1520
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I have two x 100m Equirail kits for sale - no longer needed.
Colour is black, and included all fitting and fixtures.
Pickup Geelong.
$150 per kit
 Topic: Bling & Patent Leather Bridle & Leather dressage/Show Girth
Re: Bling & Patent Leather Bridle & Leather dressage/Show Girth [message #3280108 is a reply to message #3278402 ] Sat, 01 August 2015 15:26
  horselandtash  is currently offline horselandtash  
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 Topic: wtb black 17.5" dressage saddle
Re: wtb blacl 17.5" dressage saddle [message #3280114 is a reply to message #3213144 ] Sat, 01 August 2015 15:56
  mr mickey  
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 Topic: 15" pony saddle
15" pony saddle [message #3280117] Sat, 01 August 2015 16:07
  leannda  is currently offline leannda  
Messages: 220
Registered: February 2009
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15" Jeffries pony saddle brown excellent cond
$1100 plus postage

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keep riding
 Topic: 2001 Ford Falcon AUII XL Ute
Re: 2001 Ford Falcon AUII XL Ute [message #3280143 is a reply to message #3279426 ] Sat, 01 August 2015 19:10
  Ponyface  is currently offline Ponyface  
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hi
have you towed horsefloats with your ute before?

Is it fitted with a heavy duty tow bar?

Thanks.
Re: 2001 Ford Falcon AUII XL Ute [message #3280155 is a reply to message #3280143 ] Sat, 01 August 2015 20:41
  jonab  
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Ponyface wrote on Sat, 01 August 2015 19:10

hi
have you towed horsefloats with your ute before?

Is it fitted with a heavy duty tow bar?

Thanks.



I haven't towed a float with it, we have another vehicle that we use for that. It is however fitted with a tow pack! Smile
Forum: General - Off Topic
 Topic: truck hit horse western hwy
Re: truck hit horse western hwy [message #3280096 is a reply to message #3279978 ] Sat, 01 August 2015 12:24
  mlpc2  
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Mollynjosie wrote on Fri, 31 July 2015 18:51

It's a shame you four schmucks think it's me that would post something so distressing, you obviously have no sympathy for those involved.


well mollie you have in the past posted the news before anyone else on the forum
Re: truck hit horse western hwy [message #3280109 is a reply to message #3279718 ] Sat, 01 August 2015 15:32
  Mollynjosie  is currently offline Mollynjosie  
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Two words: ignore button
 Topic: whatever happened to...?
Re: whatever happened to...? [message #3280049 is a reply to message #3280037 ] Sat, 01 August 2015 00:23
  wombat07  
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Friesian Friend wrote on Fri, 31 July 2015 22:37

Random rules -

No hoo haa
No nasty comments
No personal attacks

Yes to funny
Yes to odd
Yes to putting random comments on any topic or thread except to sales threads

On your marks!

Once upon a time one was frowned upon for inane babble


Politeness, n. The most acceptable hypocrisy
Re: whatever happened to...? [message #3280059 is a reply to message #3280037 ] Sat, 01 August 2015 08:32
  megs  is currently offline megs  
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Friesian Friend wrote on Fri, 31 July 2015 22:37

Random rules -

No hoo haa
No nasty comments
No personal attacks

Yes to funny
Yes to odd
Yes to putting random comments on any topic or thread except to sales threads

On your marks!

Challenge accepted!!! I already confused one poor soul Laughing
Re: whatever happened to...? [message #3280062 is a reply to message #3280059 ] Sat, 01 August 2015 09:16
  claire1  
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Re: whatever happened to...? [message #3280063 is a reply to message #3278421 ] Sat, 01 August 2015 09:19
  Isaboe  
Messages: 8349
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Its my party and I'll hoo haa if I want to
My coffee machine isn't working this morning Sad
Re: whatever happened to...? [message #3280065 is a reply to message #3280062 ] Sat, 01 August 2015 09:39
  honeyjoy  
Messages: 12600
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The forum drove me to drink. Remind me to thank it.
claire1 wrote on Sat, 01 August 2015 09:16

Cunce


H B Clunce Wink



Issy, planks, I phund them
Re: whatever happened to...? [message #3280080 is a reply to message #3278421 ] Sat, 01 August 2015 11:27
  Friesian Friend  
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Troppo. Loco. Round the twist.
Random on topic strike Cool


Beware the
Re: whatever happened to...? [message #3280084 is a reply to message #3280063 ] Sat, 01 August 2015 11:39
  susieq  
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Isaboe wrote on Sat, 01 August 2015 09:19

My coffee machine isn't working this morning Sad

Might have someones lost undies stuck in it. Or keys. Cool


I can pick em but I can't ride em
Re: whatever happened to...? [message #3280092 is a reply to message #3280084 ] Sat, 01 August 2015 12:09
  Isaboe  
Messages: 8349
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Its my party and I'll hoo haa if I want to
susieq wrote on Sat, 01 August 2015 11:39

Isaboe wrote on Sat, 01 August 2015 09:19

My coffee machine isn't working this morning Sad

Might have someones lost undies stuck in it. Or keys. Cool


Bluddy HJ Rolls Eyes Flinging her knickers all over the place. She has some explaining to do if her undies are found with Meg's keys Shocked
Re: whatever happened to...? [message #3280125 is a reply to message #3280092 ] Sat, 01 August 2015 16:56
  megs  is currently offline megs  
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Isaboe wrote on Sat, 01 August 2015 12:09

susieq wrote on Sat, 01 August 2015 11:39

Isaboe wrote on Sat, 01 August 2015 09:19

My coffee machine isn't working this morning Sad

Might have someones lost undies stuck in it. Or keys. Cool


Bluddy HJ Rolls Eyes Flinging her knickers all over the place. She has some explaining to do if her undies are found with Meg's keys Shocked

SHHHHHH! That particular VH party was supposed to remain a secret!!!! Embarassed
 Topic: Maroondah Hospital
Re: Maroondah Hospital [message #3280136 is a reply to message #3278943 ] Sat, 01 August 2015 18:14
  indi3068  
Messages: 498
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So I went back to my gp this morning. Now a bit of the swelling has subsided it appears I have a large (mid sized for a horse) heamatoma on my back Shocked Shocked Shocked
 Topic: Bed sheets
Re: Bed sheets [message #3280142 is a reply to message #3280038 ] Sat, 01 August 2015 19:00
  Vicey  is currently offline Vicey  
Messages: 1224
Registered: October 2008
Location: Geelong
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My family ran a linen store for 25 years.

The ones you refer to we sold and were labelled as hotel quality.

They are 100% cotton and are usually a lower thread count. The brand we had was called Partex. At one point you would have been able to get them from Myer and Harris Scarfe, but not Adairs, they only do their own rubbish quality brands.

I do not think that brand exists anymore though. You should be able to get the same thing through commercial sheet suppliers.

Re: Bed sheets [message #3280147 is a reply to message #3280038 ] Sat, 01 August 2015 19:32
  bunny b  
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Step away from the computer,
Ah yes, the name Partex rings a bell. I've been looking on the interweb at commercial quality sheets. Just wish I could feel them before buying. I wish sheets had a weight rating like towels have the gsm thingy. I want weighty sheets that crinkle and rustle and dont stick like wet tissue on hot nights.
 Topic: Import Floats
Import Floats [message #3280148] Sat, 01 August 2015 19:41
petal0507  is currently offline petal0507  
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Wanting to find out people opinions on who has got a Fenton Hill Float or a Chinese import...thanks
 Topic: Footy fans- Adam Goodes
Re: Footy fans- Adam Goodes [message #3280047 is a reply to message #3279300 ] Sat, 01 August 2015 00:17
  djrayment  
Messages: 4289
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Step away from the computer,
I'll just leave this here too http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-views/dl-opinion/eight- things-racists-say-to-try-and-convince-people-theyre-not-bei ng-racist-20150731-giohbl

"Eight things racists say to try and convince people they're not being racist

Racism is an ever-present undercurrent in the Australian national debate, but over the past few weeks it feels like it's been boiling over - in multiple directions. We've had the Reclaim Australia rallies openly professing their anti-Islamic xenophobia, we've seen Labor submit to the Coalition's policy to turn back desperate asylum seekers, we've seen union ads using anti-Chinese sentiment to advertise opposition to the FTA, we've sat through three nights of Kim on SBS's Go Back To Where You Came From, and we've had to listen to a whole lot of bigoted white people using their platform to excuse the racist booing of Adam Goodes, who's been driven from the football field by the controversy.

Of course, everyone agrees racism is bad. So much so that to call someone a racist these days is considered by many racists to be a worse insult than calling someone a racist slur. Go figure.

Because people being racist really, really hate to be called racist, we're seeing them increasingly deploy completely twisted logic to make the case that their racism is not racism. Here are eight common arguments racist use to try and water down what they're saying and make it sound reasonable. Don't fall for it, will you?


1. 'It's political correctness gone mad'


Let's just stop for a second and remind ourselves why "political correctness" exists. It exists because of a recognition that language and behaviour is impactful - and that if we are to remove discriminatory practices then having guidelines for language and behaviour that does not add to a discriminatory environment is essential. But that's when we're talking about the official version of PC. Most of the time when people talk about PC, it's not about official language and codes of conduct. It's just about people calling you out for being a bigot.

PC has gotten a bad rap for being anti- free speech - but it is rarely about censorship outside of official, organisational contexts. Funnily enough, what racists describe as 'censorship' in most cases is its opposite. It's just people openly disagreeing with bigotry, in a way that might make a bigot feel a bit of pressure to rethink his or her behaviour.

Every time anyone says something is "political correctness gone mad" what they usually mean is "a bunch of people reckon I said or did the wrong thing, and I don't like it". Boo hoo.

2. 'It's not about race, I just hate your religion and/or culture...'

How many times has a pro-booing commentator come out this week saying the booing isn't racist because people are just fed up with Goodes "displaying his Indigenous heritage" and they find his "war dance" confronting? It's incredible. And it's exactly the same as the 'culture, not race' argument that Islamophobes constantly use to pretend their beef is merely with religion and not the brown people they are afraid will come here and turn our white Australian privilege upside-down.

Most of us in 2015 have evolved beyond seeing 'race' as merely genetic. Science tells us that if we're just going by genes, race doesn't really exist. So what is it? It's about family, culture, history, beliefs, a sense of place and belonging with others who share those same or similar things. Hating and fearing other people because of their culture or religion and claiming that is different to racism shows a totally elementary and outdated notion of what race means.

It seems that the only element of cultural difference Australians can agree to tolerate is food (as long as it's not Halal) - all else must be erased and replaced with white, Christian Aussie values and practices. Well sorry, but that's just racist.

3. "I'm not white, my friends are not white, and/or non-whites agree with me."

White people don't have a monopoly on racism, despite the fact that in most parts of the world white people are the overwhelming beneficiaries of it. Racism and xenophobia exist to protect the interests of privileged groups. It's more complex than just skin colour. It's also about class, culture, beliefs, and assimilation. Racism, like sexism and classism, is often internalised by members of oppressed groups, because the message of white (and male, and upper-class) supremacy and the need to submit and assimilate is powerful; and Australia is saturated with it.

As Ruby Hamad articulated recently, the mere existence of non-white people amongst Reclaim Australia rallies, for example, does not negate the racism of its agenda.

4. 'I'll decide if it's racist or not, thanks (and I say it's not)."

White people like to define racism even though it by-and-large doesn't affect them (in a negative way, anyway), because it means they can excuse racist stuff they're doing as "not racist" and therefore keep doing it. So it's easy enough for people to say "racism is Nazis and KKKs and I think that stuff is bad, so I'm not racist", and sure, people who define it like that probably don't believe in actually sending other ethnic groups to the gas chambers by the millions or having lynching parties.

But then again, if you complain about the genocide of your culture and the colonisation of your ancestral lands and the effect both of those things are having on you and your family now, shut the hell up! That stuff is water under the bridge, because white people said so, OK?

A note on "maybe some of the people booing Adam Goodes are doing it because they're racist, but I'm not." Well, mate. Here's the thing. You're well aware by now that there is a significant racial element to the booing. Whether it was 100 per cent racial to start with or not, it now - unambiguously - is. If you choose to join in knowing this, you're aligning yourself with that element. Pure and simple. Got it, Warney?

5. 'Not all white people'

Why should the racist choices of a few have any bearing on me? And while we're on the topic, why should I feel bad because a whole lot of white people before me made things easier for me and harder for others?

Sorry, friend. You don't get to decide whether other people's racism, systemic racism in our society, affects you. It just does. And if the only negative effects you notice are when people with less racial privilege than you point out how it's hurting them? Consider yourself damn lucky. You have two choices: be complicit or take a stand against it.

If all you can think of to say when you hear about racist stuff white people do is "hold up - we don't ALL do that," you're basically admitting you care more about protecting your privileged group's reputation than about righting injustice. G'day, complicit racist!

6. 'You're playing the victim'


People who victimise others just love pulling out this card. Oh, you don't like being victimised? Well maybe if you stop crying about it, I'll stop beating you up! Keep crying and you'll keep getting hit - simple!

Anyone who's been bullied, physically or emotionally, in any context, has probably been told at some stage that if they just cop it and stop complaining it will go away. And maybe that'd work if it's just a school bully, providing he or she conveniently finds another victim. But when you're bullied because of your identity - race, gender, sexuality, religion, disability - keeping quiet will never be a long-term solution to being hurt by systematic injustice. Nor should we demand it be so.

When Alan Jones said Adam Goodes "always plays the victim" this week, he showed his cards as nothing but a schoolyard bully with an oversized microphone. But we already knew that, didn't we?

7. 'I'm offended that you're calling me racist. That makes YOU racist.'

Ah yes, the old "calling out racism makes you the real bigot" line. This one's a real doozy. Firstly, you're not allowed to be offended by the racist thing I said or did. Secondly, and despite the fact that I simply hate oversensitive whingers (brown ones anyway), I'm allowed to be offended at the fact that you took offence. The real racial slur is the word 'racist', not 'ape'. Stop causing so much division with your bigotry!


This kind of logical acrobatics takes some serious double standards, put-yourself-on-a-huge-pedestal arrogance and absolute blissful ignorance to pull off. Luckily, Australia is a nation of arrogant-as-hell ignoramuses so we get to hear this sort of thing all the time.

8. If you lose your cool it proves me right

You know how annoyed you get when you're forced to hear people complain about the fact that they've been systematically punished their entire lives because of their skin colour? Imagine how mad you'd be if you were born on the wrong side of the playing field and were actually treated like a second-class citizen every day of your life, for generations upon generations? You'd be pretty mad.

But unlike privileged racists who are allowed to mouth off about upstarts getting all uppity, if people who actually have something to be pissed off about lose their cool and show their emotions then, well, they've just lost the argument haven't they? ~smug face emoji~"
Re: Footy fans- Adam Goodes [message #3280048 is a reply to message #3280044 ] Sat, 01 August 2015 00:20
  djrayment  
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Bats79 wrote on Fri, 31 July 2015 23:03

bunny b wrote on Fri, 31 July 2015 16:32

In the words of Kamal, why are people so unkind? Because really, that is what this is all about. People being unkind to other people. If everyone made an effort to be kinder, the whole world would be a better place for everyone. It is unkind to boo people. It is unkind to call them an ape and it is also unkind to belittle someone by calling them a privaledged white woman wanting a medal. Kindness costs nothing. In the words of the Dalai Lama "be kind whenever possible and it is always possible."



Thumbs Up

I think people may be confusing prejudice and discrimination with racism.

It is possible to be subjected to the first two without the 3rd being the case - it affects people of different nationalities, religions, sexes and sexual preference.

Many of us have experienced bigotry without necessarily experiencing racism - I can't see that there would be any difference in the pain that the hatred would cause.

Quote:

Full Definition of BIGOT. : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.


There are people today who would boo John McEnroe for the way he behaved on the tennis court - would they be anti US bigots? If John McE was black would they then be automatically labelled racists?

Chris Rock insults other black Americans and labels them with names that if a white person used would automatically be called racism - what does that make him, or is it okay because being a stand up comic it could be considered "social commentary"?

Adam Goodes has been playing football for 16 years. He has three B&F medals from his club, two Brownlows, has been part of 2 Premiership sides and (according to Wikipedia anyway), has had two single match suspensions and 2 warnings in that time.

Tell me again why people only started booing him to this degree after he did his war dance in the Indigenous round, when the booing is all about his terrible and unfair onfield behaviour ...

[Updated on: Sat, 01 August 2015 00:22]

Re: Footy fans- Adam Goodes [message #3280054 is a reply to message #3279300 ] Sat, 01 August 2015 07:13
  Towsey  is currently offline Towsey  
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Hmmm... This thread makes my head hurt. I cannot believe some of the comments that people are writing.

Not every child is born with the same privilege. Yes working hard helps but your background plays a huge part in whether you are likely to succeed. Imagine a son born to two doctors becomes a doctor (no surprises there). What about a homeless prostitute gives birth to a little girl and she grows up to become a doctor... Do you still think we are all born the same?

This whole Adam Goodes thing is appalling. I imagine, as a mother what it would be like to watch thousands of people booing your child!!! Can you imagine that? Put yourself in his shoes too, it's awful. Yes people boo 'the play' but to continually boo a player is just abhorrent. Can you imagine going to work knowing that thousands of people dislike you enough to boo at you!!!??? Awful!

That 'little girl' as she has been referred to, did the wrong thing. She shouted racial abuse at a player, yes it is racial. It is wel known slur used time and time again. Yes it has been used against white people too but it is a recurrent theme used by white people against people with different cultural heritage. If that was my child there is no way I would be defending her actions, I would be educating her as to why her comment was ill conceived and abusive... She would be apologising!!! Adam stood up for himself, good on him, I cannot believe that we are even thinking that this might not be ok.

Whether he is booed because of his heritage or because people don't like him as a player, I think enough is enough. This poor bloke has gone through the wringer.

There is a fair way to go in education regarding cultural diversity. Racism is alive and well, lightly veiled underneath comments 'I'm not a racist/bigot but...' If you have to preface a sentence with this comment then I'm afraid you are a racist.
Re: Footy fans- Adam Goodes [message #3280056 is a reply to message #3279300 ] Sat, 01 August 2015 07:44
  sprintman  is currently offline sprintman  
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#IStandWithAdam


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Re: Footy fans- Adam Goodes [message #3280061 is a reply to message #3280048 ] Sat, 01 August 2015 09:01
  cheveauxpark  
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djrayment wrote on Sat, 01 August 2015 00:20

Bats79 wrote on Fri, 31 July 2015 23:03

bunny b wrote on Fri, 31 July 2015 16:32

In the words of Kamal, why are people so unkind? Because really, that is what this is all about. People being unkind to other people. If everyone made an effort to be kinder, the whole world would be a better place for everyone. It is unkind to boo people. It is unkind to call them an ape and it is also unkind to belittle someone by calling them a privaledged white woman wanting a medal. Kindness costs nothing. In the words of the Dalai Lama "be kind whenever possible and it is always possible."



Thumbs Up

I think people may be confusing prejudice and discrimination with racism.

It is possible to be subjected to the first two without the 3rd being the case - it affects people of different nationalities, religions, sexes and sexual preference.

Many of us have experienced bigotry without necessarily experiencing racism - I can't see that there would be any difference in the pain that the hatred would cause.

Quote:

Full Definition of BIGOT. : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.


There are people today who would boo John McEnroe for the way he behaved on the tennis court - would they be anti US bigots? If John McE was black would they then be automatically labelled racists?

Chris Rock insults other black Americans and labels them with names that if a white person used would automatically be called racism - what does that make him, or is it okay because being a stand up comic it could be considered "social commentary"?

Adam Goodes has been playing football for 16 years. He has three B&F medals from his club, two Brownlows, has been part of 2 Premiership sides and (according to Wikipedia anyway), has had two single match suspensions and 2 warnings in that time.

Tell me again why people only started booing him to this degree after he did his war dance in the Indigenous round, when the booing is all about his terrible and unfair onfield behaviour ...


I feel its simply due to the arm gestures which we give when uphappy with someone..Goodes is no stranger doing this at the end of his dance...
Lewis got the exact same reaction last week when he kicked a goal..he did a shuffle of sorts..didn't look like an Indiginous dance to me..then did the Get F*^KED arm gesture at the end...how to make friends...NOT!!


Rug Repairs-Kooweerup Vic 0412954017
Re: Footy fans- Adam Goodes [message #3280067 is a reply to message #3280061 ] Sat, 01 August 2015 10:14
  pamela  is currently offline pamela  
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Out of my way, I am in the midst of a hoo haa monologue

I watched the Adam Goodes interview last night on SBS he is a lovely man and his name says it all he is a Goode man.

Someone asked what we would do if an Aborinal man was on your door step late at night.

Open the door say hello, call a cab make him a cup of tea, take out a blanket fo him while we wait for the cab and pay for his fare. As the cab drove off he is yelling l love you Auntie..

Or 2 elderly male and female on a hot day on our porch take out a glass of water for them and drive them to the station.
Peter is often giving a family up the road lifts if family are down from Meeka

Or Anthony whom l have known as a very naughy boy, spent time in jail is now 30 l get bear hugs off him.

Mary Yarran, Chris Yarrans Auntie who is the indiginous officer at the school opposite me.

Our Neighborhood works as a community as we do not exclude our Aboriginal neighbors. Look after them they will look after you We have lived 20 years here we love it.


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Re: Footy fans- Adam Goodes [message #3280070 is a reply to message #3280061 ] Sat, 01 August 2015 10:29
  djrayment  
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Step away from the computer,
cheveauxpark wrote on Sat, 01 August 2015 09:01

djrayment wrote on Sat, 01 August 2015 00:20

Bats79 wrote on Fri, 31 July 2015 23:03

bunny b wrote on Fri, 31 July 2015 16:32

In the words of Kamal, why are people so unkind? Because really, that is what this is all about. People being unkind to other people. If everyone made an effort to be kinder, the whole world would be a better place for everyone. It is unkind to boo people. It is unkind to call them an ape and it is also unkind to belittle someone by calling them a privaledged white woman wanting a medal. Kindness costs nothing. In the words of the Dalai Lama "be kind whenever possible and it is always possible."



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I think people may be confusing prejudice and discrimination with racism.

It is possible to be subjected to the first two without the 3rd being the case - it affects people of different nationalities, religions, sexes and sexual preference.

Many of us have experienced bigotry without necessarily experiencing racism - I can't see that there would be any difference in the pain that the hatred would cause.

Quote:

Full Definition of BIGOT. : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.


There are people today who would boo John McEnroe for the way he behaved on the tennis court - would they be anti US bigots? If John McE was black would they then be automatically labelled racists?

Chris Rock insults other black Americans and labels them with names that if a white person used would automatically be called racism - what does that make him, or is it okay because being a stand up comic it could be considered "social commentary"?

Adam Goodes has been playing football for 16 years. He has three B&F medals from his club, two Brownlows, has been part of 2 Premiership sides and (according to Wikipedia anyway), has had two single match suspensions and 2 warnings in that time.

Tell me again why people only started booing him to this degree after he did his war dance in the Indigenous round, when the booing is all about his terrible and unfair onfield behaviour ...


I feel its simply due to the arm gestures which we give when uphappy with someone..Goodes is no stranger doing this at the end of his dance...
Lewis got the exact same reaction last week when he kicked a goal..he did a shuffle of sorts..didn't look like an Indiginous dance to me..then did the Get F*^KED arm gesture at the end...how to make friends...NOT!!


I don't even watch footy and I know that's bullsh1t! Loads of other players pull stunts like that and shout out at the crowd - they use the footage for ads and screen grabs so even I've seen it - and NONE of them have been boo'd consistently EVERY SINGLE TIME THEY WENT NEAR THE FOOTBALL FOR ALMOST AN ENTIRE SEASON.

I normally hate using caps like that, but apparently we've gotten to the point where I need to. The man played and was boo'd 'normally' for well over a decade without this kind of hoo-haa - he's not whinging because he gets boo'd (he's actually not whinging at all - hasn't made a statement as far as I'm aware), but he has reacted to the unfair and disproportionate treatment he's copping FROM THE CROWDS. He's human, so no ****1ng sh1t it's going to affect him and him responding with emotion doesn't excuse or explain how he's treated (see the article above!).

People can bang on all they want that this is about him as a player and not because he used his success to frontline the issue of racism in Australia and stood up for himself, as an Indigenous man, but there's not a SINGLE scrap of evidence that, that is really the case.

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Re: Footy fans- Adam Goodes [message #3280075 is a reply to message #3280070 ] Sat, 01 August 2015 11:01
  Towsey  is currently offline Towsey  
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djrayment wrote on Sat, 01 August 2015 10:29

cheveauxpark wrote on Sat, 01 August 2015 09:01

djrayment wrote on Sat, 01 August 2015 00:20

Bats79 wrote on Fri, 31 July 2015 23:03

bunny b wrote on Fri, 31 July 2015 16:32

In the words of Kamal, why are people so unkind? Because really, that is what this is all about. People being unkind to other people. If everyone made an effort to be kinder, the whole world would be a better place for everyone. It is unkind to boo people. It is unkind to call them an ape and it is also unkind to belittle someone by calling them a privaledged white woman wanting a medal. Kindness costs nothing. In the words of the Dalai Lama "be kind whenever possible and it is always possible."



Thumbs Up

I think people may be confusing prejudice and discrimination with racism.

It is possible to be subjected to the first two without the 3rd being the case - it affects people of different nationalities, religions, sexes and sexual preference.

Many of us have experienced bigotry without necessarily experiencing racism - I can't see that there would be any difference in the pain that the hatred would cause.

Quote:

Full Definition of BIGOT. : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.


There are people today who would boo John McEnroe for the way he behaved on the tennis court - would they be anti US bigots? If John McE was black would they then be automatically labelled racists?

Chris Rock insults other black Americans and labels them with names that if a white person used would automatically be called racism - what does that make him, or is it okay because being a stand up comic it could be considered "social commentary"?

Adam Goodes has been playing football for 16 years. He has three B&F medals from his club, two Brownlows, has been part of 2 Premiership sides and (according to Wikipedia anyway), has had two single match suspensions and 2 warnings in that time.

Tell me again why people only started booing him to this degree after he did his war dance in the Indigenous round, when the booing is all about his terrible and unfair onfield behaviour ...


I feel its simply due to the arm gestures which we give when uphappy with someone..Goodes is no stranger doing this at the end of his dance...
Lewis got the exact same reaction last week when he kicked a goal..he did a shuffle of sorts..didn't look like an Indiginous dance to me..then did the Get F*^KED arm gesture at the end...how to make friends...NOT!!


I don't even watch footy and I know that's bullsh1t! Loads of other players pull stunts like that and shout out at the crowd - they use the footage for ads and screen grabs so even I've seen it - and NONE of them have been boo'd consistently EVERY SINGLE TIME THEY WENT NEAR THE FOOTBALL FOR ALMOST AN ENTIRE SEASON.

I normally hate using caps like that, but apparently we've gotten to the point where I need to. The man played and was boo'd 'normally' for well over a decade without this kind of hoo-haa - he's not whinging because he gets boo'd (he's actually not whinging at all - hasn't made a statement as far as I'm aware), but he has reacted to the unfair and disproportionate treatment he's copping FROM THE CROWDS. He's human, so no ****1ng sh1t it's going to affect him and him responding with emotion doesn't excuse or explain how he's treated (see the article above!).

People can bang on all they want that this is about him as a player and not because he used his success to frontline the issue of racism in Australia and stood up for himself, as an Indigenous man, but there's not a SINGLE scrap of evidence that, that is really the case.


Well said!!! #istandwithadam too
Re: Footy fans- Adam Goodes [message #3280078 is a reply to message #3280047 ] Sat, 01 August 2015 11:26
  Stockhorse  
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djrayment wrote on Sat, 01 August 2015 00:17

I'll just leave this here too http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-views/dl-opinion/eight- things-racists-say-to-try-and-convince-people-theyre-not-bei ng-racist-20150731-giohbl

"Eight things racists say to try and convince people they're not being racist

Racism is an ever-present undercurrent in the Australian national debate, but over the past few weeks it feels like it's been boiling over - in multiple directions. We've had the Reclaim Australia rallies openly professing their anti-Islamic xenophobia, we've seen Labor submit to the Coalition's policy to turn back desperate asylum seekers, we've seen union ads using anti-Chinese sentiment to advertise opposition to the FTA, we've sat through three nights of Kim on SBS's Go Back To Where You Came From, and we've had to listen to a whole lot of bigoted white people using their platform to excuse the racist booing of Adam Goodes, who's been driven from the football field by the controversy.

Of course, everyone agrees racism is bad. So much so that to call someone a racist these days is considered by many racists to be a worse insult than calling someone a racist slur. Go figure.

Because people being racist really, really hate to be called racist, we're seeing them increasingly deploy completely twisted logic to make the case that their racism is not racism. Here are eight common arguments racist use to try and water down what they're saying and make it sound reasonable. Don't fall for it, will you?


1. 'It's political correctness gone mad'


Let's just stop for a second and remind ourselves why "political correctness" exists. It exists because of a recognition that language and behaviour is impactful - and that if we are to remove discriminatory practices then having guidelines for language and behaviour that does not add to a discriminatory environment is essential. But that's when we're talking about the official version of PC. Most of the time when people talk about PC, it's not about official language and codes of conduct. It's just about people calling you out for being a bigot.

PC has gotten a bad rap for being anti- free speech - but it is rarely about censorship outside of official, organisational contexts. Funnily enough, what racists describe as 'censorship' in most cases is its opposite. It's just people openly disagreeing with bigotry, in a way that might make a bigot feel a bit of pressure to rethink his or her behaviour.

Every time anyone says something is "political correctness gone mad" what they usually mean is "a bunch of people reckon I said or did the wrong thing, and I don't like it". Boo hoo.

2. 'It's not about race, I just hate your religion and/or culture...'

How many times has a pro-booing commentator come out this week saying the booing isn't racist because people are just fed up with Goodes "displaying his Indigenous heritage" and they find his "war dance" confronting? It's incredible. And it's exactly the same as the 'culture, not race' argument that Islamophobes constantly use to pretend their beef is merely with religion and not the brown people they are afraid will come here and turn our white Australian privilege upside-down.

Most of us in 2015 have evolved beyond seeing 'race' as merely genetic. Science tells us that if we're just going by genes, race doesn't really exist. So what is it? It's about family, culture, history, beliefs, a sense of place and belonging with others who share those same or similar things. Hating and fearing other people because of their culture or religion and claiming that is different to racism shows a totally elementary and outdated notion of what race means.

It seems that the only element of cultural difference Australians can agree to tolerate is food (as long as it's not Halal) - all else must be erased and replaced with white, Christian Aussie values and practices. Well sorry, but that's just racist.

3. "I'm not white, my friends are not white, and/or non-whites agree with me."

White people don't have a monopoly on racism, despite the fact that in most parts of the world white people are the overwhelming beneficiaries of it. Racism and xenophobia exist to protect the interests of privileged groups. It's more complex than just skin colour. It's also about class, culture, beliefs, and assimilation. Racism, like sexism and classism, is often internalised by members of oppressed groups, because the message of white (and male, and upper-class) supremacy and the need to submit and assimilate is powerful; and Australia is saturated with it.

As Ruby Hamad articulated recently, the mere existence of non-white people amongst Reclaim Australia rallies, for example, does not negate the racism of its agenda.

4. 'I'll decide if it's racist or not, thanks (and I say it's not)."

White people like to define racism even though it by-and-large doesn't affect them (in a negative way, anyway), because it means they can excuse racist stuff they're doing as "not racist" and therefore keep doing it. So it's easy enough for people to say "racism is Nazis and KKKs and I think that stuff is bad, so I'm not racist", and sure, people who define it like that probably don't believe in actually sending other ethnic groups to the gas chambers by the millions or having lynching parties.

But then again, if you complain about the genocide of your culture and the colonisation of your ancestral lands and the effect both of those things are having on you and your family now, shut the hell up! That stuff is water under the bridge, because white people said so, OK?

A note on "maybe some of the people booing Adam Goodes are doing it because they're racist, but I'm not." Well, mate. Here's the thing. You're well aware by now that there is a significant racial element to the booing. Whether it was 100 per cent racial to start with or not, it now - unambiguously - is. If you choose to join in knowing this, you're aligning yourself with that element. Pure and simple. Got it, Warney?

5. 'Not all white people'

Why should the racist choices of a few have any bearing on me? And while we're on the topic, why should I feel bad because a whole lot of white people before me made things easier for me and harder for others?

Sorry, friend. You don't get to decide whether other people's racism, systemic racism in our society, affects you. It just does. And if the only negative effects you notice are when people with less racial privilege than you point out how it's hurting them? Consider yourself damn lucky. You have two choices: be complicit or take a stand against it.

If all you can think of to say when you hear about racist stuff white people do is "hold up - we don't ALL do that," you're basically admitting you care more about protecting your privileged group's reputation than about righting injustice. G'day, complicit racist!

6. 'You're playing the victim'


People who victimise others just love pulling out this card. Oh, you don't like being victimised? Well maybe if you stop crying about it, I'll stop beating you up! Keep crying and you'll keep getting hit - simple!

Anyone who's been bullied, physically or emotionally, in any context, has probably been told at some stage that if they just cop it and stop complaining it will go away. And maybe that'd work if it's just a school bully, providing he or she conveniently finds another victim. But when you're bullied because of your identity - race, gender, sexuality, religion, disability - keeping quiet will never be a long-term solution to being hurt by systematic injustice. Nor should we demand it be so.

When Alan Jones said Adam Goodes "always plays the victim" this week, he showed his cards as nothing but a schoolyard bully with an oversized microphone. But we already knew that, didn't we?

7. 'I'm offended that you're calling me racist. That makes YOU racist.'

Ah yes, the old "calling out racism makes you the real bigot" line. This one's a real doozy. Firstly, you're not allowed to be offended by the racist thing I said or did. Secondly, and despite the fact that I simply hate oversensitive whingers (brown ones anyway), I'm allowed to be offended at the fact that you took offence. The real racial slur is the word 'racist', not 'ape'. Stop causing so much division with your bigotry!


This kind of logical acrobatics takes some serious double standards, put-yourself-on-a-huge-pedestal arrogance and absolute blissful ignorance to pull off. Luckily, Australia is a nation of arrogant-as-hell ignoramuses so we get to hear this sort of thing all the time.

8. If you lose your cool it proves me right

You know how annoyed you get when you're forced to hear people complain about the fact that they've been systematically punished their entire lives because of their skin colour? Imagine how mad you'd be if you were born on the wrong side of the playing field and were actually treated like a second-class citizen every day of your life, for generations upon generations? You'd be pretty mad.

But unlike privileged racists who are allowed to mouth off about upstarts getting all uppity, if people who actually have something to be pissed off about lose their cool and show their emotions then, well, they've just lost the argument haven't they? ~smug face emoji~"


I've always though Political correctness gone mad was forcing Humphrey B Bear to wear pants, Noddy and Big Ears not being allowed to sleep in the same bed anymore and changing the words to 'baa baa rainbow sheep' Laughing
On a more serious note it is an interesting perspective on the issues brought up in this thread.
Re: Footy fans- Adam Goodes [message #3280091 is a reply to message #3280078 ] Sat, 01 August 2015 11:57
  Steff_Stormy  
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Out of my way, I am in the midst of a hoo haa monologue

Well i haven't been on here for the entire year for good reason and was hoping to stay that way when i opted out of VH, but unfortunately my mother has decided to run the gauntlet and join up despite my best attempts to inform her that having an opinion isn't something you do around here Laughing

LF is my mum, and I therefore am one of those middle class citizens Wink (and yes i do understand the comment was in regard to a certain mentality, not a financial class or social standing, i'm just taking the p!ss)

My opinion on Adam goodes is irrelevant to what I wish to say, so i'm not even going to enter into that debate. What I will enter into though, is the understanding that people do have different opinions and that does not make them inherently racist.

I have studied indigenous studies and sociology so luckily for me, or perhaps at times unfortunately with the frustration that comes along with it, i understand there are entrenched social issues which implicate the boundaries on which comments are or aren't ok regarding race. i do however keep in mind when discussing these issues with those who don't have the same level of knowledge, that these issues are exceptionally complex, and not easily understood.

I will vouch for the fact my mum is not racist in the slightest. I like to think from the conversations i have had with her over the years that she is rather enlightened in comparison to a lot of other people in her age group I know. she has friends from all walks of life, and would never mean to be intentionally racist towards anyone.

the comments she has made are reflective of a certain train of thought ridden by many in our society. it is a lack of understanding of these social issues, but it is also the skewing of these issues by the media, which takes it out of context and sells it as something else, detracting from the overall problem, which is far bigger than Adam Goodes.

instead of degrading her, perhaps educate, because believe me, I have conversed with her on a range of topics over the years and she is the first person willing t be re educated and see another side of a situation, even if she was bought up with different beliefs due to the inherently racist culture of our country.

I live in a small country town and if I belittled or degraded everybody who didn't agree with my opinions, i'd have a really bad time Laughing But instead, I do my best to share my opinion and perhaps change their thoughts, just a little. it is surprising how many people are open to receiving new information if you share it in a way that doesn't put them down or discredit their ideas.

I guess I just felt the need to pop in and explain, sometimes people get very misunderstood on the internet.

on that note, goodness hasn't this been fun *waves* hi victories, bye victories, have fun debating. Smile

mum - stop arguing on the internet Laughing Razz
Re: Footy fans- Adam Goodes [message #3280103 is a reply to message #3279300 ] Sat, 01 August 2015 14:21
  Kilanya  
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Holy effin donkey balls there is some CRAP being dribbled in this thread!
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